Fratellnoir

The return of Brick Top?

What do we want ?- we're not sure
When do we want it? -er........

TSP's that-a-way >

TSP's that-a-way >

TSP's that-a-way >

I like our open door policy. Tightening citizenship just means driving away potential new players from inside and outside TWP. Citizenship like you describe would make TWP exclusionary to people who don't really know how things work but are happy to help. And ultimately, the heart of TWP is our RMB and the community on it, not the political processes that happen around it.
Keep TWP open to all.

TBRs "success" has been the ability to maintain a high profile in public
 
They have been very effective at appearing to be extremely active whilst not really doing much that has an enduring effect

I'm fine with saying that the delegate is supreme in game or that they can decide policy, but I'd also like to point out that we don't currently have elections for delegate via endorsements--there is an endo cap, and people can get ejected for passing it. If everybody decided today that Soandso would be a better delegate and endorsed him, he'd get booted. So saying Darkesia has the most endos, therefore she's in charge, fine. Saying that means that her popularity is directly proportional to her number of endorsements, however, is false. I don't mind not having perfect democracy as much as I mind the people in charge trying to make it sound like we do when we don't.

I think it would be timely to remind everybody that Darkesia is NOT the enemy here, she has merely pointed out that any attempt to construct an in game system of government is dependent on the Delegates co-operation.

I think it would be timely to remind everybody that Darkesia is NOT the enemy here, she has merely pointed out that any attempt to construct an in game system of government is dependent on the Delegates co-operation.

This is perhaps the only possible positive outcome / characteristic of this system that I can't argue. It makes sense that it creates the potential for this, but is it REALLY worthy to give it a trial period? I don't personally think it is, as the negative outweighs the positive in my view. We could still use the polls and other in-game features to try to engage more people into the forum governance, by using the dispatches, messaging, and why not, some opinion polls that the delegate be willing to do.

It is hard to respond to a scenario that is totally in-game from an in-forum perspective. You should ask the current delegate and the guardians how would they react to the first part of this scenario, as I'm neither one or the other, nor have authority over their in-game reactions. Interestingly enough, for all matter and purposes the forum government would not need to stop existing if that happened, not would it need to abide by the in-game laws the new delegate makes. Co-existence of the separate entities seems to be a conceptual issue for many people lately. If tomorrow Max closes the game, the forum community would still exist and it can still have a "government structure" and continue "role playing nations and governments" regardless of the in-game existing or not. It would be, perhaps, weird, but nothing makes it impossible.

I think it would be timely to remind everybody that Darkesia is NOT the enemy here, she has merely pointed out that any attempt to construct an in game system of government is dependent on the Delegates co-operation.

Actually there would be no reason, or jurisdiction, for any intervention by the forum "government"
 
The "rebellion" would come from the WA's present in the region, exercising their in-game right to remove a Delegate that does not consider the desires, customs and aspirations of the region as a whole.
 
If the region as a whole buys into the concept, any future candidate would be foolhardy not to agree to post such polls. 
 
If you want to set the Forum Government up as taking precedence over the in-game mechanics you may be better off joining TSP's Coalition
 
The whole point of an in-game chamber is, in my opinion, to show that political engagement can by handled there rather than through a third party medium

It would not be the first time that FACTS have spooked politicos!

 

It would not be the first time that FACTS have spooked politicos!

 

On the subject of in game regional polls, can anyone tell me who said this:
 
 

  With regards to flooding the votes with puppets there is a method which could alleviate the problem
 
If a snapshot of the nations resident in the region is taken before announcing the pool via this little facility, a comparison can be made with the list of voters that participated - any that are not on the first list but on the second could be discarded.
 
Its not a perfect solution, but would at least mean that anyone seeking to rig the polls would have to maintain puppets in the region on the off chance that a snap vote was called
 
If you wanted to go further into the issue of *polling puppets" there are ways of checking activity of nations to determine their true nature
 
As for Darkesia's assertion that "Feeder delegates are ego maniacal power mongers. We don't do subservient. Not in our nature", implying that such a system would not be adopted it is perhaps timely to remind anybody in a position of power (especially and elected post) that they are public servants, not hereditary monarchs.[/size]
 
As the FAQ states "Delegates are elected: if you don't like yours, it's up to you to get her unelected!"

This is exactly why the Gameside needs some chamber to act as the voice of the region.
Unlike flo32om, many will not join the forum.
 
By adding a in Game chamber we also add value to the game itself by providing something else that can be done in NS rather than people having to divide their time between forum and region

Blimey, I actually got a name check - thought I'd managed to stay well under the radar!
 
However riddled with  holes this article may be it does pose a very real question - Whither now TWP?
 
I have made no secret of my own vision of a truly independent TWP, strong enough to follow a path that benefits the region rather than playing to the crowd, or allowing its direction to be swayed disproportionately by the vested interests of those who do not cherish the region, but see it only as a vehicle to further their own ambition.
 
Unibot implies in his article that TWP is on currently on the peripheries of NS activity, and that is something we should relish and cultivate - being different offers us the potential to be innovative.
 
Darkesia has hinted at the opening up of our constitutional structure, and I like to think that, in my small way, I am encouraging diversity and initiative in the Military sphere.
 
We do not need anyone outside the region to decide our destiny, we are capable of determining our own fate

Digging the MacArthur vibe there Llamas! (get it "dig" and "Doug".............never mind)
 
Well it will be May soon, and there's more than Seven Days In it 

Oh I get that, I would just prefer it if we are the ones pulling the strings! 

Oh I get that, I would just prefer it if we are the ones pulling the strings! 

This is a political game.  There are always strings.  Even when alliances are formed with mutual respect and trust.
 
I would hope that TWP does not set to work turning itself into another boring cookie cutter feeder region. 
 
But it MUST turn itself into something other than completely reliant on the Guardians.  This much I promise. 
So, if they set up a silly copy of some other region's system, at least they will have a starting place.  Then let them battle as the flaws in that system are revealed.  The important thing is that it will be THEIR battles.  The internal community of TWP will decide. That's bound to cause some rough arguments and hurt feelings.  But in the end, if the community remembers that it is TWP they are working for,things will come together.
 
Uni...  it really hurts that you equate TWP's position as the miserable twat region.  And I think you are wrong on so many levels that there are no longer any pieces of common ground between TWP and your perceptions of NS.  We might as well live on different planets.

Blimey, I actually got a name check - thought I'd managed to stay well under the radar!
 
However riddled with  holes this article may be it does pose a very real question - Whither now TWP?
 
I have made no secret of my own vision of a truly independent TWP, strong enough to follow a path that benefits the region rather than playing to the crowd, or allowing its direction to be swayed disproportionately by the vested interests of those who do not cherish the region, but see it only as a vehicle to further their own ambition.
 
Unibot implies in his article that TWP is on currently on the peripheries of NS activity, and that is something we should relish and cultivate - being different offers us the potential to be innovative.
 
Darkesia has hinted at the opening up of our constitutional structure, and I like to think that, in my small way, I am encouraging diversity and initiative in the Military sphere.
 
We do not need anyone outside the region to decide our destiny, we are capable of determining our own fate

Blimey, I actually got a name check - thought I'd managed to stay well under the radar!
 
However riddled with  holes this article may be it does pose a very real question - Whither now TWP?
 
I have made no secret of my own vision of a truly independent TWP, strong enough to follow a path that benefits the region rather than playing to the crowd, or allowing its direction to be swayed disproportionately by the vested interests of those who do not cherish the region, but see it only as a vehicle to further their own ambition.
 
Unibot implies in his article that TWP is on currently on the peripheries of NS activity, and that is something we should relish and cultivate - being different offers us the potential to be innovative.
 
Darkesia has hinted at the opening up of our constitutional structure, and I like to think that, in my small way, I am encouraging diversity and initiative in the Military sphere.
 
We do not need anyone outside the region to decide our destiny, we are capable of determining our own fate

Blimey, I actually got a name check - thought I'd managed to stay well under the radar!
 
However riddled with  holes this article may be it does pose a very real question - Whither now TWP?
 
I have made no secret of my own vision of a truly independent TWP, strong enough to follow a path that benefits the region rather than playing to the crowd, or allowing its direction to be swayed disproportionately by the vested interests of those who do not cherish the region, but see it only as a vehicle to further their own ambition.
 
Unibot implies in his article that TWP is on currently on the peripheries of NS activity, and that is something we should relish and cultivate - being different offers us the potential to be innovative.
 
Darkesia has hinted at the opening up of our constitutional structure, and I like to think that, in my small way, I am encouraging diversity and initiative in the Military sphere.
 
We do not need anyone outside the region to decide our destiny, we are capable of determining our own fate