Darkesia

lol... 
 
This is reason 278 not to let the Delegate mess around in the forums.  heh

Are we still on that executive bill? That was from before my router blew.

I've had a few over the years, but a few of the ones that stuck out for me:
Marshal Robert Isoeph (my first Avatar in NationStates, from 2002.  Yes that is my real face...no I don't have a Uniform like that, totally photoshopped)

Same Image turned into Big Brother from 1984

And my fav; Bow Down before OZ!

 
And here is where I sit and shout "COOOKIES!!!"  I've since upgraded to 3 27" Monitors, but don't have a photo of the desk since...so imagine those 2 24" monitors are taking up some more space...

Finally! Was having issues to access. I really dislike forum destroyers. I also dislike Cormac's hypocrisy but that is another matter. We should NOT base our position on what other regions are doing, btw. But your point about forum destroyers is super valid.

thats the game of politics

Way to spin history for your own means, Llamas.

He made me an admin.

I have made a statement of neutrality on the Laz RMB.

I have made a statement of neutrality on the Laz RMB.

As you have seen, we are right now on some sort of turmoil due to the well intentioned actions of Darkesia and Llamas, to get some active government up and ready for the TWP. However, in order to ensure the legal hold of such government, and to prevent possible future issues regarding the legality of the elected officiales and actions, I'm going to try to sort this out to ensure the process is both smooth and legally compliant.
1) Both the Executive Council Act and the Name Change Act votes will remain open and continue, up to April 10th. They were opened during Holidays and as such, as a one time exception, I'll go ahead and grant a 7 days period for vote to be completed in them.
2) The current nominations and campaigns are not legally viable, as there is niether a Prime Minister position nor a vacancy for the Speaker position. As such, I'll lock them FOR NOW.
3) If both acts pass, I'll become the incumbent Prime Minister, but that was NOT the position I was elected for, hence I will tend my resignation if they both pass, but not inmediately, I'll instead do it so that I can ensure a proper election for Prime Minister is held, according to the existing law.
4) Any campaign threads will be reopened during the new campaign process, accordingly, as people who has made an effort to discuss and propose shouldn't see that disappear. Just put on pause to ensure all is happening properly.
Please register any complains and the legal background for them in this thread.

As far as I know, the current flat has been TWP flag for nearly all of NS history.

I pretty much completely agree with what Darkesia said. To be honest, even having served as an NS legislator myself, writing laws is boring. At the same time, it's pretty much a necessity. To at the very least get this bill passed, I recommend a minor change to the current rules: The addition of government fast-tracked legislation.
 
It's a simple concept, inspired by a similar process that used to be used in the US for trade negotiations. Both the Delegate and Prime Minister should have the explicit authority to submit a fast-track law before the HGA to skip past the whole long, boring, and complicated process of informal discussion, formal discussion, seconding, minimum discussion times, etc. Instead, they would be able to put the law up to vote. Say aye or nay. After a brief voting period, that's it. Frankly, it's ridiculous that we are currently wasting such long periods of time "Discussing" bills that nobody's actually even commented on in days.

The above quote is from Mr Llamas and I need to rant a bit about it.
 
I believe you are missing a very important point about your efforts, Llamas.  You have been proposing multiple acts and the response from TWPers is "zzzzZZZZzzzzz."   Of course your stuff hasn't been seconded!  Seconding something in this environment is a waste of time that is frankly insurance against anything getting done.   I truly, truly appreciate everyone's efforts to help wake TWP's community.  But many who are putting effort are doing so with a template designed in other regions.  TWP has a culture that you can't just undo with a bunch of words on the forum.
 
We're lazy about legislation.  We can each give you reasons about why that is so.  Those reasons will be as varied and individualiszed as each player.  But part of what brought us together is that we don't WANT complicated.  We WANT simple and efficient. 
 
We're incredibly enthusiastic and active when it comes to things that are perceived to be fun.  We do not see voting on legislation as fun (see above).  Either make it fun or as simple and efficient as possible so we can move onto the fun part. 
 
We are shockingly practical.  We realize there needs to be rules and structure, especially if we are to grow the community and participation in that community.  But again...  unnecessary complications under the guise of "being deomocratic" are going to hit this region like a lead balloon and people will simply ignore you.
 
I understand your feelings may be bruised by lack of enthusiasm, but this is TWP.  
Make the rules.  Build the departments.  Run quick elections with the 7 people who care.  Then get to work making the departments fun and fill them with people.  As the region grows you will have need of increasingly complicated rules and you will find TWP enthusiastically supporting things that you previously couldn't get us out of a coma to attend.  That is when you add things:  When there is need for it, not before.
 
We want you here.  We need you here.  But if you continue to wait for us to be enthused about procedure for the sake of procedure, you will wait forever.
 
Here ends my rant/pep talk.

The development of our civil service departments is the real goal.

The above quote is from Mr Llamas and I need to rant a bit about it.
 
I believe you are missing a very important point about your efforts, Llamas.  You have been proposing multiple acts and the response from TWPers is "zzzzZZZZzzzzz."   Of course your stuff hasn't been seconded!  Seconding something in this environment is a waste of time that is frankly insurance against anything getting done.   I truly, truly appreciate everyone's efforts to help wake TWP's community.  But many who are putting effort are doing so with a template designed in other regions.  TWP has a culture that you can't just undo with a bunch of words on the forum.
 
We're lazy about legislation.  We can each give you reasons about why that is so.  Those reasons will be as varied and individualiszed as each player.  But part of what brought us together is that we don't WANT complicated.  We WANT simple and efficient. 
 
We're incredibly enthusiastic and active when it comes to things that are perceived to be fun.  We do not see voting on legislation as fun (see above).  Either make it fun or as simple and efficient as possible so we can move onto the fun part. 
 
We are shockingly practical.  We realize there needs to be rules and structure, especially if we are to grow the community and participation in that community.  But again...  unnecessary complications under the guise of "being deomocratic" are going to hit this region like a lead balloon and people will simply ignore you.
 
I understand your feelings may be bruised by lack of enthusiasm, but this is TWP.  
Make the rules.  Build the departments.  Run quick elections with the 7 people who care.  Then get to work making the departments fun and fill them with people.  As the region grows you will have need of increasingly complicated rules and you will find TWP enthusiastically supporting things that you previously couldn't get us out of a coma to attend.  That is when you add things:  When there is need for it, not before.
 
We want you here.  We need you here.  But if you continue to wait for us to be enthused about procedure for the sake of procedure, you will wait forever.
 
Here ends my rant/pep talk.

Look, I pay for these forums, I pay for this server, and I work a real job where I have to deal with this stuff all day.  I'm not exactly coming home from work, full of zim to do more web development.  I will get to it WHEN I GET TO IT.

*nods*  Every one of us was once dragged kicking and screaming to the offsite forums with great fear and trepidation.  Yet once a forum community is fully engaged and firing on all cylinders......magic happens.

It's breaking my heart.

This is how we behave without the addition of hallucinogens to the water supply. 
Welcome to TWP!

The allied states of Reçueçn, signing in.
 
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=recuecn

Signing in
 
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=a_fish_in_the_sea

The Federal Republic of Ausgary, signing in. 
 
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ausgary

Hi I've been around but never did this.
 
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=occidius
 
Nox is here guys everybody may now applaud!

Hallo. I have been on the RMB for some time now and finally decided to step up to the forum.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=united_russoasia
URAP, signing on.

This is a political game.  There are always strings.  Even when alliances are formed with mutual respect and trust.
 
I would hope that TWP does not set to work turning itself into another boring cookie cutter feeder region. 
 
But it MUST turn itself into something other than completely reliant on the Guardians.  This much I promise. 
So, if they set up a silly copy of some other region's system, at least they will have a starting place.  Then let them battle as the flaws in that system are revealed.  The important thing is that it will be THEIR battles.  The internal community of TWP will decide. That's bound to cause some rough arguments and hurt feelings.  But in the end, if the community remembers that it is TWP they are working for,things will come together.
 
Uni...  it really hurts that you equate TWP's position as the miserable twat region.  And I think you are wrong on so many levels that there are no longer any pieces of common ground between TWP and your perceptions of NS.  We might as well live on different planets.