Darkesia

... Trying not to faint...
 
I like this one the best, thus far.  I've not had a chance to read it until now.  It's a good starting place.  If Archi's proposal and this one can get smushed together in some acceptable way, I will be a happy TWP citizen.

I believe there is a misunderstanding of terms. 
The forum Community should absolutely influence the Delegate and Guardians.  They should not control them via legislation.
 
The forum government is the means by which the community organizes and allows it's voice to be carried loudly to The Delegate and Guardians. 
Simple Examples:
 
If the forum community actually cared about how I voted on WA resolutions, they could hold a vote on the forum and present that desire to me.  I'm not insane, therefore I would realize that in order to keep the regional community happy, I would be wise to comply with their wishes.  However, I am not bound by any law other than common sense to do so.  Because, if there was a law on the forums, that I must comply, and then the in-game community desired something else, or I felt strongly about it, or was bound by treaty or political favor to vote a certain way, I would then break the community law.  Which would be an absolutly silly reason to rebel and would end up getting ignored.  So why make the law?  Instead, make the ability to vote in the community and then use the structure to ask the Delegate for help.
 
 
 
Personally, I don't think I would have the time.  I haven't been able to comply with a simple request to post this convention in the WFE yet.  I fully intend to do so.  And I'm not avoiding it, I just have not logged into the game with anything but my phone in days.  Adding official elections to my plate would not be practical.  Again, this has nothing to do with my desire to be difficult.  I just don't have time.  Heck, my own contest ended Friday and I have yet to complie the results and post them. 
 
Anyone who has not been a Delegate in an active GCR doesn't realize how time consuming it is.
 
That's not to say that the next Delegate won't have the time to do it.  So perhaps if there was some sort of means to request the polls be posted and administered, but don't make the system reliant on that part...

Please. For the love of Max. Stop with the eye-rolling teenage behavior. It's driving me nuts.

I have to wonder what planet you are going to recruit a Delegate with the time and inclination to do all that work?
The attitude that you can easily do that is a little mysterious to me.

Srsly?

... Trying not to faint...
 
I like this one the best, thus far.  I've not had a chance to read it until now.  It's a good starting place.  If Archi's proposal and this one can get smushed together in some acceptable way, I will be a happy TWP citizen.

... Trying not to faint...
 
I like this one the best, thus far.  I've not had a chance to read it until now.  It's a good starting place.  If Archi's proposal and this one can get smushed together in some acceptable way, I will be a happy TWP citizen.

Let me know if you need any help, I'd like to formally co-sponsor this proposal if we are able to reach a nice ground where we both feel comfortable.

I've been willing to do this since before the personal attacks started, curiously not only from Llamas if I remember correctly PD...But I'm game if EVERYONE else is game, and if we ALL stop trying to degrade others images around NS based in former regions...
Also, you don't "admonition" me. I'll asume you meant advise, as it is highly disrespectful in my culture to try to admonition someone you are not the parent of or supervisor.

It's somewhat the height of hubris what I'm about to do, but hubris and punk daddy are often listed as friends. 
 
I would like for you two to stop personally arguing with one another in every thread. It's not productive and really detracts from the conversation. If you both wish to lead then do what great leaders do and lead. People are willing to follow those they trust to make wise decisions. People who are bitter, backbiting, and vindictive don't typically inspire said trust. 
 
I want to see you both show the rest of us you have the ability to civilly disagree. If you can't then we need leaders who can because the type of "dialogue" the two of you are having are just what tears regions apart. Do you think that all of us old guys agree with one another all of the time? Heck no.
 
during my time as delegate, Eli sent me a note that - paraphrased - said if I didn't start to do something he was going to overthrow me. Haha. And we like each other. But that's also happening behind the scenes and not in front of the "cameras" as it were because many of us understand that what is said publicly has value and that disagreements privately can remain just that, private.
 
So I am asking and pleading that you let go of your differences and help continue the conversation on the direction of TWP. 
 
Please.

Your definition of 'younger' is perhaps different than mine.  If you mean newer, in that there are several nations that have decided to come forward and take part in this Convention without having taken part in the community prior, then you may be correct.  It is unfortunate, in my opinion, that several of them seem to only be concerned with your proposal and have not contributed to the other discussions taking place.  I wonder why that might be?

This is perhaps the only possible positive outcome / characteristic of this system that I can't argue. It makes sense that it creates the potential for this, but is it REALLY worthy to give it a trial period? I don't personally think it is, as the negative outweighs the positive in my view. We could still use the polls and other in-game features to try to engage more people into the forum governance, by using the dispatches, messaging, and why not, some opinion polls that the delegate be willing to do.

It is hard to respond to a scenario that is totally in-game from an in-forum perspective. You should ask the current delegate and the guardians how would they react to the first part of this scenario, as I'm neither one or the other, nor have authority over their in-game reactions. Interestingly enough, for all matter and purposes the forum government would not need to stop existing if that happened, not would it need to abide by the in-game laws the new delegate makes. Co-existence of the separate entities seems to be a conceptual issue for many people lately. If tomorrow Max closes the game, the forum community would still exist and it can still have a "government structure" and continue "role playing nations and governments" regardless of the in-game existing or not. It would be, perhaps, weird, but nothing makes it impossible.

I think it would be timely to remind everybody that Darkesia is NOT the enemy here, she has merely pointed out that any attempt to construct an in game system of government is dependent on the Delegates co-operation.

Not true, even though it might initially seem that way. If all the Guardians decided to rebel against Darkesia tomorrow, she'd be out of the delegacy pretty quick – They have enough influence to ban her and still have some left over. Close to the same thing if everyone decided they no longer supported Darkesia and unendorsed her then picked someone else to be the new delegate, which is close to what happened in Lazarus and is how they successfully removed the NPO from their region.
 
Don't lose hope, URAP, Delegates can be controlled using in-game methods, and successfully have been many times in the past. You just need to be clever about it.

My moms gotten much more better over the past week, so I'll be rejioninging soon after I learn how to spell.
 
Anyway, how is everyone so far?

Please. For the love of Max. Stop with the eye-rolling teenage behavior. It's driving me nuts.

Please. For the love of Max. Stop with the eye-rolling teenage behavior. It's driving me nuts.

Please. For the love of Max. Stop with the eye-rolling teenage behavior. It's driving me nuts.

I have to wonder what planet you are going to recruit a Delegate with the time and inclination to do all that work?
The attitude that you can easily do that is a little mysterious to me.

I have to wonder what planet you are going to recruit a Delegate with the time and inclination to do all that work?
The attitude that you can easily do that is a little mysterious to me.

I don't really mind non-residents contributing ideas, but voting should be restricted to residents, in my view. This is an off-site community, but it's still the off-site community of the West Pacific. It's so easy to create a nation that anyone who can't at least reside in the region has no business voting on community matters.

We haven't been enforcing that so far, but it seems we should.

nerds

I have been playing NS for about four years, and decided to make a random nation and get involved in the GCR it is (randomly) created in. So, here I am
 
NS nation is Mylte.

I have opinions to do RL and dont know if I'll be able to add to my proposal along this timeline. Will try though!