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Guardians chosen by popularity is a bad move. 
 
I don't want TNP's system here. I know TNP's system well, I'm currently a court justice and admin on TNP's boards. I'm probably the best (I'll put Vlagh as a distant second) person to compare the two systems. 
 
TWP has a system of trust and providing new people and opportunity to prove themselves. TNPs system has a trust component to it but it's much more fluid in terms of who comes and goes in the TNP Security Council. Yes some members have been there for ages, Flem/Grosse/GBM but others are very new. The level of trust needed to get on the SC is different than the Guardians, imo. 
 
As for in-game and off-site separation that really makes us unique, strong, and not victim to many characterizations of delegates such as "this delegate doesn't have the right to be delegate because of X". Nope, game mechanics settle the delegate and if you want to change a delegate use game mechanics to do it. Thus URA as Cormac is the legit TWP del right now. However, we put Guardians in place to protect us should a delegate wish to move the region in a direction that is bad for the community. Guardians are soldiers really and right now we need them, but we are well prepared for this.

Forgive me for starting a thread here as I am not a member of the Union, however this disturbs me. 
 
Cormac, author of the Union Charter took control of URAP's nation, sending out a mass telegram asking the region to ignore it's existing government and players.  Cormac has been a periodical participant and member of TWP. He joins...then leaves....then joins....then leaves...often within the same day.
 
Nonetheless, my point is this.  Should not the Voice provide some kind of official rebuke ?  Or prohibit his membership in the Voice due to his traitorous actions ?
 
Charges against Cormac are being considered elsewhere for his actions here.
 
Thank you for your time.

URA is the rightful delegate of TWP. We believe in game mechanics here in TWP not just when we like the delegate.
 
It's up to us to use game mechanics to prove that URA is not the delegate. 
 
We will do this and we will do it soon.

URA is the rightful delegate of TWP. We believe in game mechanics here in TWP not just when we like the delegate.
 
It's up to us to use game mechanics to prove that URA is not the delegate. 
 
We will do this and we will do it soon.

URA is the rightful delegate of TWP. We believe in game mechanics here in TWP not just when we like the delegate.
 
It's up to us to use game mechanics to prove that URA is not the delegate. 
 
We will do this and we will do it soon.

Guardians chosen by popularity is a bad move. 
 
I don't want TNP's system here. I know TNP's system well, I'm currently a court justice and admin on TNP's boards. I'm probably the best (I'll put Vlagh as a distant second) person to compare the two systems. 
 
TWP has a system of trust and providing new people and opportunity to prove themselves. TNPs system has a trust component to it but it's much more fluid in terms of who comes and goes in the TNP Security Council. Yes some members have been there for ages, Flem/Grosse/GBM but others are very new. The level of trust needed to get on the SC is different than the Guardians, imo. 
 
As for in-game and off-site separation that really makes us unique, strong, and not victim to many characterizations of delegates such as "this delegate doesn't have the right to be delegate because of X". Nope, game mechanics settle the delegate and if you want to change a delegate use game mechanics to do it. Thus URA as Cormac is the legit TWP del right now. However, we put Guardians in place to protect us should a delegate wish to move the region in a direction that is bad for the community. Guardians are soldiers really and right now we need them, but we are well prepared for this.

hehe.
 
Vlagh, can you pass along a message to Pierconium. Please advise that once things settle here, we are interested in restoring the relations our two regions have enjoyed for years.
 
We have just a little house cleaning to do and then we'll reach out.

URA is the rightful delegate of TWP. We believe in game mechanics here in TWP not just when we like the delegate.
 
It's up to us to use game mechanics to prove that URA is not the delegate. 
 
We will do this and we will do it soon.

hehe.
 
Vlagh, can you pass along a message to Pierconium. Please advise that once things settle here, we are interested in restoring the relations our two regions have enjoyed for years.
 
We have just a little house cleaning to do and then we'll reach out.

URA is the rightful delegate of TWP. We believe in game mechanics here in TWP not just when we like the delegate.
 
It's up to us to use game mechanics to prove that URA is not the delegate. 
 
We will do this and we will do it soon.

How stupid do players in TWP have to be to assume they do not have the RIGHT to rebel against a tyrannical government.  This forum is not the game and the game is not this forum. They are separate but related entities but they are not one and the same.  The institution we enjoy today ... and have enjoyed for more than 11 years ... was birthed in rebellion against a tyrant (Norion).  If URAP is a traitor to TWP, he can be minimized here in the forum until he either finds favor again, leaves of his own accord, or is banned.  That last is typically used only the most extreme of situations.
 
But hey ... who am I to waltz in here and tell you what to do?  This is your region and forum now and i am just some old fart hasbeen player stepping in and pissing you off.  Then again, that is exactly what TAO does ... and has done for 11 years.

I do not wish to hear people say in these halls "don't bother, we got it" (paraphrased).
 
I want these halls to be where people can speak their mind, defend their positions, and try to persuade each other to build a better TWP.
 
I will not foster an environment where there's a have not and haves. 
 
Not happening while I'm still Advocate. This conversation should continue.
 
Here are my thoughts on impeachment. In general, I don't like impeachment proceedings. I am really concerned that URA is continuing to make mistake after mistake after mistake. 
 
The most recent issue I have is the ejection of Eli. It appears on the surface petty, childish, and perhaps most importantly impulsive. Moves like this tear a region apart and do not build the region. 
 
I'm willing to hear URA on this but it's seems very, very, very, repeat, very dubious.

I do not wish to hear people say in these halls "don't bother, we got it" (paraphrased).
 
I want these halls to be where people can speak their mind, defend their positions, and try to persuade each other to build a better TWP.
 
I will not foster an environment where there's a have not and haves. 
 
Not happening while I'm still Advocate. This conversation should continue.
 
Here are my thoughts on impeachment. In general, I don't like impeachment proceedings. I am really concerned that URA is continuing to make mistake after mistake after mistake. 
 
The most recent issue I have is the ejection of Eli. It appears on the surface petty, childish, and perhaps most importantly impulsive. Moves like this tear a region apart and do not build the region. 
 
I'm willing to hear URA on this but it's seems very, very, very, repeat, very dubious.

I do not wish to hear people say in these halls "don't bother, we got it" (paraphrased).
 
I want these halls to be where people can speak their mind, defend their positions, and try to persuade each other to build a better TWP.
 
I will not foster an environment where there's a have not and haves. 
 
Not happening while I'm still Advocate. This conversation should continue.
 
Here are my thoughts on impeachment. In general, I don't like impeachment proceedings. I am really concerned that URA is continuing to make mistake after mistake after mistake. 
 
The most recent issue I have is the ejection of Eli. It appears on the surface petty, childish, and perhaps most importantly impulsive. Moves like this tear a region apart and do not build the region. 
 
I'm willing to hear URA on this but it's seems very, very, very, repeat, very dubious.

I do not wish to hear people say in these halls "don't bother, we got it" (paraphrased).
 
I want these halls to be where people can speak their mind, defend their positions, and try to persuade each other to build a better TWP.
 
I will not foster an environment where there's a have not and haves. 
 
Not happening while I'm still Advocate. This conversation should continue.
 
Here are my thoughts on impeachment. In general, I don't like impeachment proceedings. I am really concerned that URA is continuing to make mistake after mistake after mistake. 
 
The most recent issue I have is the ejection of Eli. It appears on the surface petty, childish, and perhaps most importantly impulsive. Moves like this tear a region apart and do not build the region. 
 
I'm willing to hear URA on this but it's seems very, very, very, repeat, very dubious.

Wouldn't be a TWP thread without a threadjack. Glad that has not changed.
 
But back to the point of this thread, the apology is accepted, but leadership is now needed. 
 
Leadership unfortunately can't come from anyone but the delegate on this because you took the authority away from those who had it. 
 
That's not a judgmental statement but a fact. Now you've got to lead us to the next place and if some people want the offsite government and you don't, well you've got to lead those folks to your way of thinking.
 
The delegate seat is weighty.

This right here is why I would have love URAP to give me a heads up. I would have never, repeat never, gotten TWP's NS embassy restarted had I known this was coming. Utter waste of time and makes me look pretty foolish.
 
I don't like to waste my time. 
 
Piling on Vlagh is the misdirection. As I said before, I don't really care enough to try to discern if he has ulterior motives. It takes a lot of brainpower and i don't think he's the source of the problem. 
 
The problem that we have is our offsite forum's activity levels are light years below what they are on the in-game site. As the offsite oligarchs  - and yes we're the oligarchs - we have constantly sought ways to make the offsite forum more active because we think that the game should have an offsite forum and that it should be active.
 
As I stated months ago, why don't we try to change the whole paradigm and do away with  the offsite government dichotomy and do something different. Let's have the government be in-game and have the delegate establish whatever he/she/it wants it to be as delegates change. If we want to use this forum great, and if we only want to use this forum for limited things that's great too.
 
I think our constant reboot of forum governments is akin to a leopard trying to change it's spots and become something it isn't. We are a Karaoke Friday, Chocolate Loving, Marsupial hating, region and we don't need to be like TP, TNP, TEP, or anyone else. We just need to be comfortable enough in our own skin to realize the offsite may never be what the onsite is. But our onsite activity and TWP-ness is pretty da-- good.
 
So I say let's just let go of trying to fit a square peg in a circular hole and build our government at the delegate's direction on the onsite forum. Let's be the leopard and accept, no embrace, our spots. 

And this my friends is the crux of the issue. 
 
The delegate has no authority as far as I can tell to dissolve the offsite government. But Minister of Legislative RP did, technically, and he may have some backing to do so. 
 
I have no desire to participate in any form of government that can be so unilaterally dissolved without so much as a notice. The reason is, why invest in something if someone  - per whatever - just wants to pull the rug out. 
 
Not cool in my book.

Thanks for this proposal. 
 
I need to come up with a standard way to get proposals in front of the full voice. This could be the guinea pig.
 
Let's continue the discussion on this and see what other members of the voice think.

It's quite interesting that I made this proprosal not knowing we were to be dissolved.
 
I cannot express how much we need this proposal. 

I am going to ask the admins to restore the Voice maskings and roles.
 
What I am also going to do is request a meeting with the delegate to review russo's desires for the forum government and how we can stay on the same page. and even if we aren't on the same page clearly communicate.
 
I think russo made the changes with the hopes to spur activity on the off-site. Well, that happened.

I am going to ask the admins to restore the Voice maskings and roles.
 
What I am also going to do is request a meeting with the delegate to review russo's desires for the forum government and how we can stay on the same page. and even if we aren't on the same page clearly communicate.
 
I think russo made the changes with the hopes to spur activity on the off-site. Well, that happened.

I definitely believe that within one month's time we would have been more active in the Voice. Not even a question in my mind about that. 

I definitely believe that within one month's time we would have been more active in the Voice. Not even a question in my mind about that. 

I definitely believe that within one month's time we would have been more active in the Voice. Not even a question in my mind about that.