Malviet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not really, I have never believed that a sitting Delegate should let a vocal minority overrule their decisions.Then may I rephrase what BBD said:'Your mask already slipped, Vlagh, if you ever HAD a mask on, that is. By the way, should we be calling you 'Your Imperial Majesty' now?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Called the Vlagh Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Then may I rephrase what BBD said: 'Your mask already slipped, Vlagh, if you ever HAD a mask on, that is. By the way, should we be calling you 'Your Imperial Majesty' now?' Sure, why not. If you are the current face of what it means to be a part of this community then I am fairly certain my time here is limited anyway. I will continue to note that I have never acted against the will of the Delegate of this region and never plan to do so. It saddens me that after over a decade of service within this community that a few miscreants like yourself can come along from relative obscurity and cause me to lose position, status, and face within this region. It is equally surprising that no one here seems to think doing so will have no ramifications. Or, perhaps that is what you seek? Very well, I will consider giving you your wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malviet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 1. Sure, why not. If you are the current face of what it means to be a part of this community then I am fairly certain my time here is limited anyway. 2. I will continue to note that I have never acted against the will of the Delegate of this region and never plan to do so. 3. It saddens me that after over a decade of service within this community that a few miscreants like yourself can come along from relative obscurity and cause me to lose position, status, and face within this region. 4. It is equally surprising that no one here seems to think doing so will have no ramifications. Or, perhaps that is what you seek? Very well, I will consider giving you your wish. First off, I meant no offence about the 'Your Majesty' thing - I'm quite fascinated about monarchies and nobilities, by the way. Next, I never intended to criticize the actions you took in this region - regardless of whether it was done voluntarily or forcefully. With all due respect to an old player of this game, all I meant to do was to express concern over the fact that a senior official and head of state of another region(albeit the fact that the said region is our treatied ally) had the right to dissolve our off-site government - as a Korean, I was kinda seeing what happened to my real-life homeland around the early 1900s. I am kinda sorry to see what happened to you around the past couple of days, Ivan - as I said before, I acknowledge the fact that you are an old player of the game with various contributions to our region, and I really do respect that. However, a lot of other respectable TWPers don't, and I really don't want to, nor do I have the right to, criticize them over expressing their opinions - TWP isn't as authoritarian as TP is, as you can see. I saw that you resigned from your position as Minister of Legislative RP, so I guess that marks the end of your long contribution to the West. So uh, farewell dear sir, and may life lead you to the both of us meeting and working with each other again - on a more cooperative mood, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hariko Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This will not end well. Malviet, Darkesia and URAP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegarth Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 If a Vice-Delegate position is intended only for stuff done during justified delegate absence, and most people wouldn't want an extra layer added in leadership because it makes them feel that the only practical outcome is that they're further distanced from the Delegate, then I propose that we just nominate one Guardian position to be a Senior Guardian (in a "first among equals" sense) appointed by the Delegate and assuming said tasks. Isn't that about the same thing with just a different name? Is the same intention, you are just changing the tag. Furthermore, technically speaking, the Guardian's organization is up to the Delegate, and the names he gives them as well. But you are basically proposing that we do the same things that is being done. What I'm trying to say is, I don't see the difference in role, just a name change cuz you don't like Vice-Delegate? Please elaborate perhaps? I like these ideas better. But perhaps something less bureaucractic sounding. Here are some synonyms of guardian: attendant, baby-sitter, bird dog, cerberus, champion, chaperon, chaperone, conservator, cop, curator, custodian, defender, escort, guard, keeper, nurse, overseer, paladin, patrol, preserver, safeguard, sentinel, shepherd, sitter, sponsor, superintendent, supervisor, trustee, vigilante, warden, watchdog Maybe even different names for the different positions like: Warden of the military. Sentinel of standards, Preserver of Culture. Should I change the "GOVERNOR" for "NAME TO BE DECIDED"? Seems easier to include that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malviet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Maybe even different names for the different positions like: Warden of the military. Sentinel of standards, Preserver of Culture. You've been watching TOO much Game of Thrones, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegarth Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 I think BBB's sound cool tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hariko Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I say cerberus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegarth Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 My heart is not really on this. As TWP's structure allows for simultaneous off-site governments to exist, I'll pull myself out of this. I help write it to combine the voice with the other ideas, but I don't think is the right way. I'd opened a thread to restart the voice. As things are, any and all members are totally able to either join the voice, or assist on the creation of this alternative. I have no hard feelings of any kind for whoever decides each or the other. Cheers. Bhang Bhang Duc and Darkesia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunApocalypse Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Glad I refreshed the page before posting my reply. I agree with Elegarth, we should work on improving the Voice, it was/is infinitely better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Vlagh isn't the issue. Vlagh is loyal to the region and has been for over 10 years. Our Delegate isn't doing a very good job of leading, so it goes. Nothing personal Mr Delegate. I'm going to support Bhang Bhang Duc's rebellion, Bhang Bhang Duc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhang Bhang Duc Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm going to support Bhang Bhang Duc's rebellion, Which is now morphing into Elegarth's proposal to bring back the Voice. Cool to have you on board! Malviet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachmaland Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm including the whole sequence, to help readers follow my path of thinking: "THE VICE-DELEGATE: The Vice-Delegate serves as per the choice of the Delegate as his deputy and second in-command of the government, assisting him in the coordination of the government and his guardians. His second primary function is to serve as liason with the off-site community in matters of coordination, joint efforts or communication." Why is the delegate unable to communicate by himself? Why add the middleman? From what I'm seeing, the only thing the Vice-Delegate does is to help distance the Delegate from the rest of the region. Valid points. Vice-Delegate is only meant to be used as a secondary communication tool and decision malingr in case of justified delegate absence. If a Vice-Delegate position is intended only for stuff done during justified delegate absence, and most people wouldn't want an extra layer added in leadership because it makes them feel that the only practical outcome is that they're further distanced from the Delegate, then I propose that we just nominate one Guardian position to be a Senior Guardian (in a "first among equals" sense) appointed by the Delegate and assuming said tasks. Isn't that about the same thing with just a different name? Is the same intention, you are just changing the tag. Furthermore, technically speaking, the Guardian's organization is up to the Delegate, and the names he gives them as well. But you are basically proposing that we do the same things that is being done. What I'm trying to say is, I don't see the difference in role, just a name change cuz you don't like Vice-Delegate? Please elaborate perhaps? I wasn't expressing my own view on the subject; I just took it (from the "valid points" comment) that there was an agreement between the two of you regarding the position, so what I said was "ok, if you just want the duties without the extra layer, then do this". I'm just elaborating why I wrote this, as asked by Ele. Most probably it's meaningless now anyhow to explain my own position on the matter. For the time being I'm watching the latest developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malviet Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I support Elegarth's cause on restarting the Voice, OUR Voice. No offense, Russo. Elegarth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Are there parts of this proposal people would like to incorporate into the Union? If yes keep pushing this. If no, this will languish in the annals of our history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhang Bhang Duc Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Are there parts of this proposal people would like to incorporate into the Union? If yes keep pushing this. If no, this will languish in the annals of our history... None. Absolutely none at all. Let it die, salt the ground and move on. TunApocalypse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malviet Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Let's lock this up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Ok, I will lock this thread then. If someone would like to take up any of the proposals here, feel free and start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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