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What about a system that incorporated all of the choices above? Go with me for a second...but let's say we have political parties who align themselves with a particular form of government. One monarchy, one anarchy, one democracy, and so on. Each of these groups would create "governmental documents". Periodically, the region would vote on which party to place in power based on their foundational documents aka governmental system. Once elected, the party's system would become the ruling system of the day, but only temporarily. In say 4-6 months new elections would occur amongst the parties and a new party would be selected. Yes, the ruling party could be elected again, but the other parties will have a chance to win their way to power. Thoughts?

Yeah, I don't like 6 at all. I'd be just fine removing it.

This is in 'draft' form so please do feel free to comment. I should also note that we have decided at the NSR that we will only go forward with the regions that sign this document. If regions do not sign the document they will no longer be part of the NSR. We are doing this because of an activity drought and we wish to move forward with regions that also wish to move forward with us.

The NSR has drafted a new constitution. Thoughts?

what rol said... Welcome to the West Pacific. So glad to see Gatesville alive and kicking.

Milograd...you could probably convince me of that plan. I like crazy. But, I'd bet a large some of money you'd never be able to convince Eli of such a plan. The guardians have really built something here and just blowing it up to blow it up, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. What I do think makes sense is to invite people to these forums to talk, but let's be clear, the region TWP is not dead - only these forums on. Yy4u is active, talkative, and approachable to new nations. That's what you need in an in-game delegate. He has chosen to spend his time there and I think that's fine. In his post above, he's open to something new. But, anarchy does not seem to be the solution.

We've come up with a revised Constitution. Let's discuss. We're looking for member regions who wish to continue with the alliance to affix their name to this new document.

I'd love to try a monarchy in a feeder. That would be quasi-new.

I detest the NS Mods. Worst moderators I've ever been around.

I think hope there's enough of us around to get things started.

Nah, no one would reject an embassy...but i think - and my memory might be hazy - one of our embassies was closed down in a feeder due to inactivity. The simplest way to get some activity is to hold a constitutional convention. And now with Yy's ability to telegram the region we could create a telegram invitation. We didn't have this capability before, but I think this could be a great way to get people on the forums in general.

An interregional allince with that many posts isn't dead. We have Region Inc. & Skyrim diplomacy. We came close to getting even more and this was when TWP was the head of the Republic. I think ED and I would argue with you that it failed. A number of great relationships were built, a Warzone was taken, and regions were joining the republic as late as November. Oh, this isn't personal. I just think you do not have sufficient data to determine the success or failure of the Republic.

I'm excited we've got new blood. You must remember, we've all been around a while. I hope you're around tomorrow, next week, next month. We will be. The key word in the above is 'crisis'. There have been no crises recently to spur the Gaurdians into action. I'd love one, honestly.

Are you aware of how many regions comprised the NSR? I think you may be speaking outside of your experience here. That's ok, I understand you'd like to think the NSR failed and wasn't active. But the truth is, it didn't reach the goals I set forth but it certainly was active until, at worst, late fall of 2012. 1,651 posts and 50 members since June of 2012. That's not barely getting off the ground when in June of 2012 the alliance was already over a year old. Here's the link to our current forums...those forums have probably been more active than these forums (at least the parts non-gaurdians can see). http://z13.invisionfree.com/nationstatesrepublic/index.php

Well it appears my radical idea has been implemented: http://twp.nosync.org/archives/thread-9838-post-184274.html#pid184274 And it wasn't so much radical as me tossing in the towel and saying the gaurdians and delegate rule and no one seems to want to challenge this paradigm, so what's the point of having a constitution? And I'd say today we have no Constitution for the most part. Like I said, i don't think any gaurdian is opposed to change and wouldn't welcome new challenges, it's just that we're probably not going to drive the bus. We've been there done that, have the t-shirts, key chains, etc from times past. In other words, we're old. It will take some new blood to get us off our backsides. EDIT: Let me update to reflect IH's post The 'enclave' as you put it, does know what's going on. But I would say that people outside the 'enclave' can influence the region. You have a voice and you can influence the region. I believe Yy is very responsive to people in-game. I'm saying that TWP is not a democracy and we left behind our legislating when we simply didn't have the membership to sustain activity. Places like TNP and elsewhere have steady activity. The problem with TWP is that none of us dislike each other and we all understand our roles and are comfortable in them. That makes for stagnation. But, as I said, I don't think any of us are averse to change.

Ok - so you're more talking about recent events of 'giving up the ghost', in terms of the RA. The thing is, if people of TWP do not want to legislate one can't force them to legislate. Legislation is an activity that follows other activity. There needs to be things happening, ministers putting forward ideas, etc. in order for there to be something to legislate. Because I'm not just a member of TWP but also a citizen in Osiris and the Attorney General in TNP, I do often here from others what the world thinks about TWP. I'm often asked as well because I'm the most visible (outside of TWP) guardian - though you could argue Westwind on that point. Nonetheless, I often here that Yy is great to work with (he is) but that there is no offsite activity (there isn't much). But most of the guardians post on the RMBs and are a part of the onsite game, and i would guess that my in-game activities are the least of them all as evidenced by my lagging endorsements. I am glad you find fault in the current system as is. The only way to change it is to speak up. As I said, the guardians are not power hungry hordes, I trust our Gaurdians above any other team in this game by country miles. We've got a great delegate in Yy who is just not that into the offsite forum activities but is probably one of the best in-game delegates. But, for us (the gaurdians) the system is working. We have an active delegate and ousting TWP's way of doing things from an external force is nigh unto impossible. I think if you do want some change, and I'd love to see more forum activity, then I think you'll need to instigate things. This conversation is a start.

The NSR had verifiable aims. I'm not sure how to find them on this forum. ED, through consent of TWP, changed those aims. The NSR was to be the US of NS by making regions into states with TWP as the head. It was quite ambitious and we did get a great many regions on board. That ideal changed significantly once ED took control. I was content to leave it at that, but then a newbie PUT took over and, in my biased opinion, things went downhill. I have posted a new Constitution and put it to members that we should go to regional members to have them affix their name to the document or not. If we don't get a number of people on board, no need for Tweedy and I to go back and forth and convince each other to continue. Still, this thing lasted almost two years so I can't complain.

I take some umbridge with being labeled as the one who destroyed the RA. The RA was dead well before I took over from the standpoint that it was ineffectual. If anything the NSR system I established was purposefully to create more legislative discussion. Of all the guardians I most legislating friendly, I'd say by a significant margin at that. I think all of the guardians are open to new suggestions, ideas, and whatnot. We're just not going to be the ones driving the bus. Truthfully, I think you have some of the most unassuming folks as guardians in this region. When I sought to make changes, they went along with it. When ED made changes, that was fine too. And Yy has done his thing.

hopefully we'll be alive soon....

Woo hoo!!

This should be interesting. Glad to see The Pacific reboot.

sup Halmont...welcome back.

certainly there are some in TNP who are anti-UDL, but even those that are, were suspicious of Tim's actions. Tim has said his "my bad" and I think TNP will move on to other people to crucify issues.

Influence allows feeder old farts to sit on the sidelines almost in perpetuity, imo, wich leads to a lot of stagnation. As for me, I'm perhaps not as bored at the moment as some others. I've got a few things on my plate that are of interest.

I'm so glad Eli is back. ...and yes Fratellnoir, most of the old Farts in TWP care less about who holds the chair than having fun. The game is not that much fun to most of us and I'd say none of the old farts are all that interested in the petty games played today. We recall when there was true political intrigue and the fights were difficult and you won some and you lost some. I'd venture to guess not one of the old farts fears any of the new class and if we just wiggled a finger, the noobies would topple. The people here in TWP aren't all that interested in that but I think we stick around in the hopes that one day, one day, the game will return to something that is worth playing. Till then...in TWP...noobies can take the ball and run as hard and as fast as they like with the people from the old folks home cheering from their rocking chairs.