Not only that I realized that being here a bit over 2 of three years isn't bad
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On 2/5/2019 at 7:49 AM, Saint Mark said:
Is it possible to have multiple banners that rotate appearing at the top of the forum as they do for our nations?
On 2/5/2019 at 11:21 AM, Darkesia said:*raises and shakes his cane at a passing cloud*
I haven't looked at the feature in some time, but there is the banner advertising option in the ACP. It could be used for rotating banners, but separate from the header. Could also embed a rotating image in a custom block that could be placed above or below the forums, or on the sidebar.
A sidebar ad block could have images for upcoming events, or satire, or recruitment, or.....*shrugs* "TWPAF Dragon Pirates Need YOU. Join Today!", hyperlinked to the signup thread.
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I also seemed to have had misplaced three other former members: Former Holy Ministers Treize Dreizehn , Intelligent Holograms and Charax
And it's worth noting that The Sacred Order embraces other Orders in NationStates, including The Crimson Order, the New TAO Order.....although I am concerned The New Pacific Order has lost it's way. Perhaps someday the NPO can return to the Sacred Order and complete the Gates of Redemption and Reunification Ceremonies and restore harmony between The Pacific and The West Pacific.
16 minutes ago, Elegarth said:*joins The Sacred Order of the West Pacific*
*raises his hands to the heavens in supplication*
*bows low to the earth bringing his arms down in a sweeping motion*
*stands again*
Welcome Former Delegate Elegarth!
It is a honor to accept you into The Sacred Order. There is no doubt that your service to The West Pacific is deserving of recognition by The Sacred Order. A Grant of Title will be made upon due consideration. In the meantime, you are hereby Welcomed into The Sacred Order of The West Pacific as an Honored Entered Acolyte of The First Circle.
I believe that Cleansed Seeker of The First Circle Mediobogdum is due for a Grant of Title as well.
*raises his hands again*
May the blessings of Max and ADMIN be upon you!
- Mediobogdum and Elegarth
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3 minutes ago, Elegarth said:
I would feel honored to become the eight former delegate member of The Sacred Order. I think it was around there that I started to have contact with TWP significantly and I always admired The Sacred Order.
*puts on his Grand Inquisitor robes.... gold highlighted crimson upon a sable field, edged with silvery white fur and and strong gilded threads, covering the formal military uniform with decorations of many Regions beneath, and his SC Commendation medallion hanging from his neck.*
*raises his hands to the heavens in supplication*
The Sacred Order would be blessed should you choose to join.
*ponders*
I'll have to refresh my memory on the proper ceremony. And recollecting the Sacred Numerology, it seems that bringing the tally to Eight Delegates, the number of Money and Wealth, would surely be profitable.
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4 hours ago, Elegarth said:
I was feeling and thinking something similar. Perhaps not a full government, I was thinking more on the line of a Hall of Nations, separate from the existing off-site institutions, intended to bring people together and with no goals for the delegacy. Wanna chat about it?
We could have The Sacred Order of the West Pacific as a separate institution from the government for example. Has it's own theme, with a TWP historical basis. Grants titles, has an NS ideology...
We don't need the Delegacy to manage our own affairs and policies, we would continue to recognize the sitting Delegate. Seven former TWP Delegates are members of The Sacred Order, including two current Guardians. The Delegate could join The Sacred Order and still maintain their own government and theme.
SpoilerThe Grand Inquisitor,
Westwind of All Good People
- The Cardinal of the Eternal Dungeons,
Yy4u
- The Cardinal of Chocolate Righteousness,Darkesia
- The Cardinal Protector of the West,Wickedly evil people
- The Cardinal of the Most Evil,Bhang Bhang Duc
Non-World Assembly Delegate
TAO the Watcher, Unquestioning Raconteur of the West.
TWP Military:
Members of The Sacred Order that serve in the TWP Military are entitled to the rank of:
Knights of the Sacred Order
Granted Titles and Positions of The Sacred Order
The Bishop of The Forbidden, Holy Keeper of the Pantheon of Flags, Tweedy
Holy Minister of The Sacred Order for Silly Walks,Tunapocalypse
Champion Commander of the Knights of the Sacred Order, Archsium
Knight of the Sacred Order-Mediobogdum
Acolytes:
Cleansed Seeker of The First Circle:
Former members:
The Bishop of the Grand Assembly -
Benjamin Mark
Holy Minister For World Assembly Affairs - Douria
Holy Minister For Foreign Affairs, - The fifth imperium (aka God Emperor on our forum)
Holy Deputy Minister For Foreign Affairs - Arcovea (Karland on our forum)
Holy Minister For Domestic Affairs - Vulcan prime22 hours ago, Ark said:I can’t believe a simple theme change is enough for a forum admin to threaten to create a new forum government.
You misunderstand.
Badger is speaking for himself, not admin. The forum has recognized and provided forums for multiple governments before, more than once. The forum recognizes the TWP community, and the ingame authority of the Delegate. Governments are in reality a form of Role Play that is only tied to the game by the Delegate's recognition of it, as we recognize game mechanics as the true arbitor of ingame authority. The forum seeks to provide everything the Delegate needs and provides for the Delegate's government, but not exclusively.
We serve the community. By allowing in-region opposition their own space, the community stays together and in time works to resolve differences as needed. This is the TWP way, and it has served us well for 12-13 years. I've seen large communities torn apart into separate forums and half the community never comes back and abandon's the game entirely in frustration. So many fantastic players lost to that. Thus, our forum serves the community, not just a government. Winnie has provided us all with a safe forum home for all (except those that get themselves banned for COPS treaty issues, et al), that isn't overly restrictive as those forums needing to conform to a third party TOS can be.
We respect our players by seeking to preserve the whole community.
There was an opposition group when I was Delegate. There was an opposition group during Yy's delegacy.
There were the two governments after the Senate refused to work with Fae so she resigned the Delegacy and quit the game. She should have dissolved the government instead, but that government did not recognize game mechanic supremacy and tied her hands as she tried to work with them. Offsite government restraint of the Delegate results in inactive and rogue delegates, and split communities. Again, the forum resolves that by placing both the ingame appointed Delegate and the whole Community first before any particular government.
If the Delegate's government works against the Delegate, and the Delegate ceases to recognize that government? The forum will continue to serve that government, while recognizing and providing for the Delegate's new government. That serves the entire community and avoids breaking it up, while recognizing the Delegate's prerogative.
I think some misunderstand this, which brings them to be confused by those that say they respect the Delegate's choice, while expressing issues with or opposition to that same choice. As has been said, these are not incompatible positions.
4 hours ago, Elegarth said:The party in this situation that is not comfortable with the current proposal made a reach by requesting a simple middle-ground solution, and the other party didn't budged a millimeter. What conversation could be held?.
Precisely.
The delegate asked for participation, yet those with ideas or concerns, have had their thoughts replied to with hollow assurances, rather than any attempt to hear or consider or address opinions/ideas/concerns expressed. That's my impression anyway.
23 hours ago, Saint Mark said:West, it was your choice not to participate in the government by not becoming a citizen. You still have been not only allowed to express your opinion, but listened to with respect.
Yes, I sacrifice my ability to participate in order to remain an unbiased neutral admin.*sniffles overly dramatically, wipes a tear from his eye feeling the immensity of his sacrifice....falls out of his chair laughing*
Although, I submitted my resignation as Admin in March 2018. But I can't remove my masking myself, and Winnie has left it as it, and I've given the admins my 2 cents on things that come up. *chuckles*
I also didn't post an oath when our NationStates Republic government required it either. In that case I didn't agree with TWP turning it's governance over to an inter-regional body (sorry PD). Other regions could determine our policies. Of course, I was later the one to dissolve the NS Republic when I became Delegate. It was dead, the only active member was it's President...I don't remember his name or what region he was from....and he was barely active. But it did have some good activity during Enlightened Defenders Delegacy, and it was altered to ensure TWP's sovereignty.
Remember to cut out the deadwood as you progress to allow new growth.
Anyway, you didn't address anything I said or asked before, only commented on my citizenship which I'd already mentioned, so....
6 hours ago, Elegarth said:As WW says, my opinion doesn't matter.
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11 hours ago, Altino said:
I feel like an onsite vote is a little on "too little too late" territory at this point.
As the motto of Westwind Armed Forces says, "There is always a choice"
11 hours ago, Altino said:Kind of having a hard time processing the disparity between "I respect the delegate's decisions" and "but the delegate should do things by my methods."
There is no disparity. We support our Delegate, we don't worship the Delegate.
Why should everyone mindlessly follow along without having their own opinion expressed and recognized? Welcome to the world of Politics and Community dynamics.
11 hours ago, Altino said:He's also chosen to give citizens of the region a say in the direction of that theme.
This is not true. I am in the region, have been for many many years - 15 years, yet I have no say. I am disenfranchised by the government.
11 hours ago, Altino said:And wise, to make sure that those involved in making long term decisions for TWP are people who understand the place and will not CTE a few weeks from now, unaffected by what their randomly chosen vote brings us
What is this insult for? What did you hope to accomplish with it?
The rest of what you said shows you didn't read what others wrote, and for some reason have chosen to be offended by those with another opinion.
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On 1/18/2019 at 3:08 PM, Saint Mark said:
No, this was discussed at length here and elsewhere and most were in favor of a theme change, or at the least not opposed.
*raises eyebrow*
Where?
Again, I'm not on Discord, so I don't know where this lengthy discussion occurred, because it certainly wasn't here or ingame.
You seem to have a different POV than those outside your circle. I think it would be wise to consider this.
8 hours ago, Elegarth said:You have the right to do this, lets just not pretend it is a public driven thing when it isn't. I am all for making clear what is clear.
Correct and agreed. It isn't an organic change, let's not pretend that it is.
6 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:It is understood that there might be some attempts at rigging the vote by outside influences,
As I mentioned before, if you set the poll on Native, you can only vote if you have more Influence in TWP than any other region. And if you set it on Large Nations, nations under 1 billion can't vote. IMO you can get a fairly secure ingame vote. But it seem everyone in NS doesn't realize this.
But then, it's a pet peeve of mine of that many ignore ingame features in favor of offisite control.
6 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:I agree that it feels like we are rushing into this when legit discussion is/was still taking place.
Also agreed. What's the rush?
Let me follow up on my comments about having made theme changes in my time. I took the Delegacy of a TWP that had a brand new inactive forum, no formal government, no constitution/charter/whatever. I was starting from scratch. That's not the case now.
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:may result in feelings of having been ridden roughshod and ignored.
I am afraid my feeling is that this change is being ramrodded down the region's throat, with a couple days of comment substituting for discussion, debate, and input, where any alternative thoughts are dismissed when they were never considered in the first place. Saint Mark seems overly defensive and apologetic, which doesn't inspire confidence in this plan of action.
Or in other words, this all seems poorly handled and poorly presented.
As I said, fourth impression: My opinion doesn't matter. Sadly, regardless of the Delegate posting promises, I have little confidence in this change under these circumstances.
4 hours ago, Saint Mark said:This was also discussed in the Cabinet for weeks.
Most of us are not in the Cabinet, and nowhere do I see evidence of this. You are defending yourself instead of promoting your position.....it feels strange and makes me wonder why you are so defensive.
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:interest in the theme change has been more than for all other subjects that have come up for debate in recent times
How often does the Delegate/Cabinet/Guardians bring such issues before the region?
Isn't it true that controversy drives conflict which drives activity?
Isn't it shutting down this same activity by rushing to a conclusion?
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:After all, without the players, what is the region's raison d'etre?
*nods* A Delegate, Guardian, Minister should be servants of the region.
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Hey @ZetaOne and @Halmont, remember this?
ZetaOne
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Advanced MemberQuoteNov 13, 2005 #1
That is right, the game some of us have spent way too much time on is three years old today! WOW!
Not only that I realized that being here a bit over 2 of three years isn't bad
Halmont
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Advanced MemberQuoteNov 14, 2005 #3
If NS just turned 3.. and.. I joined around 4 - 5 months after it was created!!.. wow.. gah.. cool!..
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PS: I don't know who was admin on the S8 TWP forums, but maybe someone could restore this old bit of TWP history.....
http://z8.invisionfree.com/The_West_Pacific/index.php?
"All zIF/ZB forums were migrated to Tapatalk. To restore your forum, please send your board URL to support@tapatalk.com to request for a late migration."
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On 1/16/2019 at 2:04 PM, Haor Chall said:
Hello....
Nice to see you 'round
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24 minutes ago, Kawaii said:
Japan's 80's was the most happening place in the world!
*chuckles* I've no doubt!
In the US, some people did very well, and some did very poorly. The economy didn't soar as some would make it seem, instead it fell back several times. I remember the storefronts suddenly going empty across the cities a couple times. The music sucked. Government spending to defeat the Soviets provided jobs, but took it's toll by taking resources from other parts of the economy. The Decade of Greed wasn't universal, it was only a section that flaunted it with their suits and cocaine which Hollywood loves to portray, the corruption of the Keating Five, Iran/Contra, 1987 Black Friday market crash, Savings and Loan crisis.....
A friend of mine and I were driving around downtown Kansas City in the '80's and we noticed these businessmen marching around the sidewalks in their grey suits as if they owned the world. We'd try to talk to them or at least get their attention. They wouldn't even respond to saying a simple 'Hi!" The thing that finally got their attention? We called out "Dollar Bills!" and they all turned their heads in unison to look our way. It was hilarious. Silly human race. These businessmen walking shoulder to shoulder, three people wide.....we decided that The Who nailed it. "Eminence Front. It's a put on." (the rhythm/beat of the song perfectly matched the businessmens purposeful steps)
*winks*
31 minutes ago, Kawaii said:a stamp graphic
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18 hours ago, The Boring Kingdom of Perladela said:
So, don't waste your breath.
We waste bits and bytes instead of breath.
Welcome to TWP!
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11 hours ago, Fujai said:
nevermind that it's wildly historically inaccurate
That would be a good thing, I'd think.
2 hours ago, Darkesia said:Also seeing... Pirates, yes! Pirates, no! Hmmm... Maybe this translates to: We want to retain the idea of being a bunch of rogue personalities gathered together and loyal to one another.
*chuckles* Bunch of rogues......The Syndicate (oh wait, a region already did that), The Western Cartel. The Rogue Gallery of The West Pacific....
I don't know if anyone knew this, but once upon a time I was looking to establish a Rogue Pirate military, sailing across all the Pacifics, unaffiliated with any of them. There were two or three missions these unknown Pirates engaged in across The Pacifics, but never really got fully off the ground. I smiled when TWPAF went Pirate, I was proud of you all.
2 hours ago, Darkesia said:But in reality, you are the Delegate. It's your choice.
Exactly. Of course, if The Delegate wishes to pursue a process/debate/choice beyond that.......that's The Delegate's choice too. On the other hand, if....
2 hours ago, Darkesia said:...do not go with anime or kpop or any of that weeb stuff.
And no pink with purple polka dots WFE. I see a region that does that and I immediate click elsewhere. Have some respect for your viewer/readers and be easy on the eyes.
2 hours ago, Darkesia said:just wait until you try to tie legislation to arguments from two separate bodies full of strong, intelligent opinionated players.
Yup. You'll be sorry. You'll be frustrated. NS isn't worth the high blood pressure.
3 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:I want the change to be compelled by a good reason. I don't feel like a good reason has been presented.
I tend agree with this. I'm still waiting for a presentation of sufficient cause for change, and where that change might apply, how it will be applied......
Although, had the Delegate simply announced "here is our new Theme!" I'd accept the Delegate wanting a change as reason enough. (That doesn't mean I'd agree with or like the change)
2 hours ago, Saint Mark said:The reason is that things are getting stale in the region.
I can't fully address this, I'm not on Discord so I don't know what the real activity level is here. Also, the period of the Holidays into February is always slow. The ebb and flow of NS.
A theme change isn't sufficient to drive activity to combat staleness. Action is what drives change, and that action comes from the region's Leaders, not the theme.
Partially why Pirates is worth considering.....the military is active, the military is Pirate. I don't see that theme being promulgated on the RMB or via mass TG, so it feels detached from the region as a whole. Integrating Pirate into the theme would meld the two together better in player's minds. (Psychology), tying the civilian and the military into a whole.
Whenever the civilian government is closely tied to the military and military/diplomatic activities, it drives interest and activity. When a civilian government begins to ignore it's military, it will progressively go inactive. Unless is has another strong area (such as RP) to supplant the military activity.
2 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:It has to do with tangible govt activity, engaging nations, and helping nations find purpose in the region.
There does seem to be less interaction with the region ingame these days. And obviously little interaction on the forum. I don't do Discord, so I have no idea there. I feel like Non-Discord players have been locked out of activity by the regional Oligarchies.
1 hour ago, Saint Mark said:I do not want a situation like what happened in the past.
Never ever EVER EVER allow a higher legislative body. NEVER.
1 hour ago, Saint Mark said:make it quite clear that the Hall of Peers is advisory only
If it has no power, no one will participate - there will be nothing to do. If it has too much power, I guarantee you will eventually have a conflict with the Delegate. This is where the balancing act of TWP comes into play.
2 hours ago, Saint Mark said:even if Japan is selected.
Let's not go to RL national themes at all. The Rising Sun of the TWP flag used to bother me all by itself as it was too suggestive of WWII Japan. I'm old, grew up with those veterans, knew WWI vets. My grandfathers were both considered National Security assets, my daughter's maternal great grandfather was a private American citizen, captured as a POW by the Japanese and he died in malnourished captivity, his body never recovered.
(I knew a US Civil War vet - at his 100th birthday he said of his imprisonment as a POW that the prisoners "ate as well as the guards. All we had to eat was grasshoppers.")
Although no NS theme insulted me more than The NPO's Soviet theme. Made me sick to my stomach after growing up at nuclear ground zero for the Cold War. Let's not promote RL murderous regimes (such as Imperial Japan, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany.....).
2 hours ago, Kawaii said:the 80's
I lived through that time, the 80's sucked.
Don't do 70's Japan, back then Japan was known for flimsy cheap throw away products. (Like China is known for now). *chuckles*
I like your flag design best of the choices, but I don't like it's color scheme.
I'd prefer to keep our flag, or alter it slightly, than a wholesale change. I won't like it, whatever it is, if the theme design abandons our 15 year flag.
- Fujai, Kawaii and Big Bad Badger
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A Model United Nations sounds like fun. Once upon a time long ago when I was in High School, there was a Student Congress that competed at Forensics meets across the state. I was the Lead of my school's House Delegation, and served as Presiding Officer most meets. It was a blast. Unfortunately, most meets were required to go by Sequential Debate rather than Open Debate - I performed better with Open Debate. I remember writing Legislation on Decriminalization of Victimless Crimes and Judicial System Reform among others.
In NS, I would suggest participation in regional Legislatures/Assemblies, debates in the General Assembly/Security Council World Assembly forums ingame, and signing up as an Ambassador.
Good luck to you, and welcome!
- Danlina, HyFy and Saint Mark
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23 hours ago, Dalimbar said:
We started out as one of the key pillars of the ADN, and proudly were one of the most effective forces in defenderdom, never mind in-game.
*nods, rocks, rambles* During The Crimson Order operations, one of the possible paths we prepared was the restoration of ADN. I owned the domain name (PH gave it to me), created a new forum. We controlled two of the three largest regional former ADN militaries (TNP/Equilism) and I had an insider in Nasicournia (ADN foudning region) ready to declare alliance with us if I triggered that option. TWP had both defender and raider armies, and the TWP Minister of the defender army was a former Equilism Military Minister, so I expect TWP would have participated in some way. Those four regions were the four pillars of ADN.
I could have been the Defender hero rather than villian. (Of course, all that had to be kept secret from the others we were working with such as Gatesville, The Last Kingdom, LKE....)
I had three or four very different options mapped out and prepared. If TNP Admin Grosse /Flem hadn't refused to change the North Pacific Army forum name ("OMG West is going to turn us raider because he's changing the name!" *rollseyes*)- thus blocking me and violating the TNP constitution, Crimson Order would have turned out entirely differently. And Grosse and Flem would have been happy about the results. Instead they assumed my intentions incorrectly. Screwed themselves over based on their own metal projections. (Yes, yes....I encouraged those perceptions of course) TNP should stop calling me a rogue delegate. I was duly elected and It was TNP forum admin that violated the constitution, giving me no choice but to abandon the forum. I was duly elected and the constitution gave me full authority. Ah well.
These days, TNP Admin Elu, who stole the TNP Delegacy from me, was recently asking for my help with TNP's forum move from Tapatalk. I'll never get credit though (I think it's ironic. Demonize me and ask for me help. Wasn't the first time.)
Of course, there was the time when The Pacific asked for my help, and I never got credit for that either. I think The Pacific should hire me as Emperor and Delegate, I have a good resume for the job.
23 hours ago, Dalimbar said:those of us who should honestly be NS dead by now.
*chuckles* I've been planning my NS death for five years. It's very close now. Unless The Pacific wants to hire me as Delegate. I won't hold my breath.
42 minutes ago, Overthinkers said:Not to mention that the other thread is citizens-only.
Thank you!
I have the ability to post in the Hall, but I don't because I'm not a citizen. Besides, I can ramble a bit off topic here, as thread jacking is traditional in TWP.
24 minutes ago, Big Bad Badger said:I really like the idea of expanding upon the pirate theme.
Perhaps combined with the dragon from Ark's flag idea.
"Dragons coming out of the sea,
Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me.
He brings down the fire from the skies,
You can tell he's doing well by the look in human eyes.
Better not compromise.
It won't be easy." -
More old Graphics....I'll spoiler them to spare the thread.
SpoilerYes, TWP and Dragons...
There was this old TWP Pirates flag...
I predominantly used this regional flag during my delegacy:
Let's see, what else....
The Tweedy Flags of Yy4u's Delegacy:
Another:
The New West Pacfic Order
TWP Ministry of State Security:
The West Pacific Imperium:
TWP Flag Flying in the wind
Once upon a time this flag used to follow TWPAF into battle:
Ah...finally found it....the complete Klingon Pirate Flag of TWP (BTW, "Klingon Pirates" was suppose to be an insult - TSP gave us that nickname. We embraced it instead.)
The Darkesian TWP/Gatesville Hybrid Flag
And then, after bringing global peace, TWP, lead by All Good People was faced with the final nation of resistance, lead by Donald Rumsfeld.
(The road to global NS peace was strewn with thousands of bodies of banjected nations)- Kawaii, Ark and Mediobogdum
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And never forget The Klingon Empire of The West Pacific!
And TWP is Legendary:
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I changed themes two or three times during my Delegacy. We started out sort of Dune based with the Laandstrad for the Assembly. But no one could remember how to spell it. *chuckles* Later went to the Sacred Order of The West Pacific and The West Pacific Imperium. Policies stayed the same, graphics stayed the same. The theme is just a costume you put on
In the end, it's delegate's choice IMO. I mearly added to titles for my themes, so a Minister became Holy Minister and a Guardian became a Cardinal Guardian.
In Equilism we went through a period when we changed the theme with each government. By the time they'd gotten to a Game of Thrones theme, they lost me as I didn't know anything about it (still don't) - so was all meaningless to me. Houses, titles, all irrelevant and confusing to me.
I like the dragon imagery in the graphics proposal. You can tie that to TWP having had two Delegates associated with Dragons. You could take the Eagle and Crossbones flag and replace the Eagle with a Dragon.
I gotta admit, I haven't been fond of TWPAF flags for some time.
I think folks are too resistant to making use of the ingame polling. This would still be somewhat restrictive, but it would cast a wider net than the forum and still would be secure: Set the poll to both Native and Large Nation - it will prevent nations from other regions jumping in to vote, and prevent new founded nations from voting. (A nation would have to be about 6 months old to vote...a nation voting age requirement based on game mechanics).
You could even form a bi-cameral legislature: ingame based on those polling rules (House), and Hall of Peers voting (Senate), Delegate has veto authority.
Although, having a bi-cameral legislature is what got TWP into trouble before. The Senate becomes and exclusionary old boys club that eventually goes inactive and blocks the Delegate (I've seen this movie before)
1 hour ago, Ark said:As far as your comment about an oath, I don’t really know what to do about that.
*chuckles* Nothing. I've championed more open citizenship, and removed citizenship oaths when I was delegate. It was never a problem. I haven't been a TWP citizen since oaths were reintroduced. So I'm just being me.
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I know HOW to add them, but in the past (I haven't checked in a long time) Winnie's settings didn't allow me upload them. So this will need to be a Winnie thing. I would have added many years ago if I could have.