Not only that I realized that being here a bit over 2 of three years isn't bad
Westwind
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I was given a long hair black cat named Samantha in '90. We called him Sam, his previous owned said he was misnamed. He seemed to prefer Sam anyway.
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Hmmm..... my first Cat was named Mia (My-ah). 1963.
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I remember when the Royal Duke Mediobogdum went out of his first TWPAF missions. Well done and Congratulations!
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In February 2008, while The Crimson Order was activated across NS, TWP Delegate TAO was working on his own innovations to improve NS activity.
The 1k Endo Project....to invite WA nations from all around NS to endorse TWP Delegate TAO for a day to reach 1000 endorsements:
TAO:
QuoteI have scheduled Feb 16 as the 1K Endo Project first attempt day. If I don't make it on that day, then I will try again on Feb 23 or, failing that, Mar 01.
*redacted still classified info*
The Project may provide the needed cover since it is, after all, one of TAO's CRAZY game schemes.
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Hmmm...... There's a form of ingame participation that has not been tried to my knowledge...."Sign This Pinned Dispatch Petition by clicking the Up arrrow"
It's a small action, but people want something to do.
Or pin two dispatches...competing proposals......"The dispatch that gets the most upvotes by Karaoke Friday will become regional policy"
Just keep engaging with the players wherever you can.
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If anyone would like to know more of the history of The Crimson Order, there is a thread in TRR in progress since no one has ever asked me about it before. I'm revealing tales of Crimson that have never been shared before.
https://rejectedrealms.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&p=10023755#top
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Since I can't comment in the Hall of Nations, I'll comment here....
QuoteYou attract specific types of activity by manifesting it first.
Activity creates more Activity.
6 hours ago, Darkesia said:If the goal is to make the RMB more welcoming to new nations, then spend time on the RMB being welcoming to new nations
Yes. Spend your time where the new players are it. In game, not offsite.
I notice many important players are not active ingame. They rarely post on the RMB. It seems to me there is more interest in Discord than NS itself. It doesn't matter if my perception is true or not, but if it's true for a 15 year player like me, what do you think confused new players ingame think?
Inviting new players to Discord and Forums is good, but don't ignore NS itself. That's the primary reason we are all here. Have your general conversations on the RMB, it'll keep it active and encourage new players to participate. THEN they'll be ready for offsite venues.
When I was a new player, it wasn't the forums or chatrooms that engaged me to participate, it was the telegrams I received ingame, and the commentary on the RMB.
6 hours ago, Darkesia said:That means you have to stop talking about it and just start doing it.
Talking and planning is great, but accomplishes nothing without action.
Action is the only means to Progress.
5 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:I completely agree with Dark on this. I feel that we will be much more successful being an active, friendly RMB.
Again, folks need to pay attention to the region itself ingame. The game is not Discord, it's NationStates.
Engage with the Game itself. Frequently.
This was the point of the Crimson Order eleven years ago, to bring activity back to an inactive game environment.
5 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:But manner in which I went about this change I regret.
Yes, it was very distressing to pop in and see that. I've never seen a proper explanation, and every time I've asked, I've been ignored.
I notice the silences. They are loud and concerning.
5 hours ago, Saint Mark said:I want to hear everyone's opinions on this.
How but including us non-citizen residents and moving the discussion out of the Hall?
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A Donation button could be placed in a custom block on the sidebar for convenience.
Winnie could create a Paypal Money Pool (if that's available in Canada) on his account.
"Money Pools are an easy and fast way to collect money with friends. Whether you need to raise money for a holiday, a group gift, or for regular shared expenses, just create a Money Pool and share it with your friends and family. Please note that you’re responsible for spending the money collected for the purpose set out in your Money Pools page.
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On 3/11/2019 at 7:17 AM, Darkesia said:
I'm not sure about the emoji. If another Admin knows how to add them, cool.
I know HOW to add them, but in the past (I haven't checked in a long time) Winnie's settings didn't allow me upload them. So this will need to be a Winnie thing. I would have added many years ago if I could have.
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*sets out a breakfast buffet*
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On 2/5/2019 at 7:49 AM, Saint Mark said:
Is it possible to have multiple banners that rotate appearing at the top of the forum as they do for our nations?
On 2/5/2019 at 11:21 AM, Darkesia said:*raises and shakes his cane at a passing cloud*
I haven't looked at the feature in some time, but there is the banner advertising option in the ACP. It could be used for rotating banners, but separate from the header. Could also embed a rotating image in a custom block that could be placed above or below the forums, or on the sidebar.
A sidebar ad block could have images for upcoming events, or satire, or recruitment, or.....*shrugs* "TWPAF Dragon Pirates Need YOU. Join Today!", hyperlinked to the signup thread.
QuoteShow the advertisement REQUIREDJust below the page header
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TWP Dragon Pirates
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I also seemed to have had misplaced three other former members: Former Holy Ministers Treize Dreizehn , Intelligent Holograms and Charax
And it's worth noting that The Sacred Order embraces other Orders in NationStates, including The Crimson Order, the New TAO Order.....although I am concerned The New Pacific Order has lost it's way. Perhaps someday the NPO can return to the Sacred Order and complete the Gates of Redemption and Reunification Ceremonies and restore harmony between The Pacific and The West Pacific.
16 minutes ago, Elegarth said:*joins The Sacred Order of the West Pacific*
*raises his hands to the heavens in supplication*
*bows low to the earth bringing his arms down in a sweeping motion*
*stands again*
Welcome Former Delegate Elegarth!
It is a honor to accept you into The Sacred Order. There is no doubt that your service to The West Pacific is deserving of recognition by The Sacred Order. A Grant of Title will be made upon due consideration. In the meantime, you are hereby Welcomed into The Sacred Order of The West Pacific as an Honored Entered Acolyte of The First Circle.
I believe that Cleansed Seeker of The First Circle Mediobogdum is due for a Grant of Title as well.
*raises his hands again*
May the blessings of Max and ADMIN be upon you!
- Elegarth and Mediobogdum
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3 minutes ago, Elegarth said:
I would feel honored to become the eight former delegate member of The Sacred Order. I think it was around there that I started to have contact with TWP significantly and I always admired The Sacred Order.
*puts on his Grand Inquisitor robes.... gold highlighted crimson upon a sable field, edged with silvery white fur and and strong gilded threads, covering the formal military uniform with decorations of many Regions beneath, and his SC Commendation medallion hanging from his neck.*
*raises his hands to the heavens in supplication*
The Sacred Order would be blessed should you choose to join.
*ponders*
I'll have to refresh my memory on the proper ceremony. And recollecting the Sacred Numerology, it seems that bringing the tally to Eight Delegates, the number of Money and Wealth, would surely be profitable.
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4 hours ago, Elegarth said:
I was feeling and thinking something similar. Perhaps not a full government, I was thinking more on the line of a Hall of Nations, separate from the existing off-site institutions, intended to bring people together and with no goals for the delegacy. Wanna chat about it?
We could have The Sacred Order of the West Pacific as a separate institution from the government for example. Has it's own theme, with a TWP historical basis. Grants titles, has an NS ideology...
We don't need the Delegacy to manage our own affairs and policies, we would continue to recognize the sitting Delegate. Seven former TWP Delegates are members of The Sacred Order, including two current Guardians. The Delegate could join The Sacred Order and still maintain their own government and theme.
SpoilerThe Grand Inquisitor,
Westwind of All Good People
- The Cardinal of the Eternal Dungeons,
Yy4u
- The Cardinal of Chocolate Righteousness,Darkesia
- The Cardinal Protector of the West,Wickedly evil people
- The Cardinal of the Most Evil,Bhang Bhang Duc
Non-World Assembly Delegate
TAO the Watcher, Unquestioning Raconteur of the West.
TWP Military:
Members of The Sacred Order that serve in the TWP Military are entitled to the rank of:
Knights of the Sacred Order
Granted Titles and Positions of The Sacred Order
The Bishop of The Forbidden, Holy Keeper of the Pantheon of Flags, Tweedy
Holy Minister of The Sacred Order for Silly Walks,Tunapocalypse
Champion Commander of the Knights of the Sacred Order, Archsium
Knight of the Sacred Order-Mediobogdum
Acolytes:
Cleansed Seeker of The First Circle:
Former members:
The Bishop of the Grand Assembly -
Benjamin Mark
Holy Minister For World Assembly Affairs - Douria
Holy Minister For Foreign Affairs, - The fifth imperium (aka God Emperor on our forum)
Holy Deputy Minister For Foreign Affairs - Arcovea (Karland on our forum)
Holy Minister For Domestic Affairs - Vulcan prime22 hours ago, Ark said:I can’t believe a simple theme change is enough for a forum admin to threaten to create a new forum government.
You misunderstand.
Badger is speaking for himself, not admin. The forum has recognized and provided forums for multiple governments before, more than once. The forum recognizes the TWP community, and the ingame authority of the Delegate. Governments are in reality a form of Role Play that is only tied to the game by the Delegate's recognition of it, as we recognize game mechanics as the true arbitor of ingame authority. The forum seeks to provide everything the Delegate needs and provides for the Delegate's government, but not exclusively.
We serve the community. By allowing in-region opposition their own space, the community stays together and in time works to resolve differences as needed. This is the TWP way, and it has served us well for 12-13 years. I've seen large communities torn apart into separate forums and half the community never comes back and abandon's the game entirely in frustration. So many fantastic players lost to that. Thus, our forum serves the community, not just a government. Winnie has provided us all with a safe forum home for all (except those that get themselves banned for COPS treaty issues, et al), that isn't overly restrictive as those forums needing to conform to a third party TOS can be.
We respect our players by seeking to preserve the whole community.
There was an opposition group when I was Delegate. There was an opposition group during Yy's delegacy.
There were the two governments after the Senate refused to work with Fae so she resigned the Delegacy and quit the game. She should have dissolved the government instead, but that government did not recognize game mechanic supremacy and tied her hands as she tried to work with them. Offsite government restraint of the Delegate results in inactive and rogue delegates, and split communities. Again, the forum resolves that by placing both the ingame appointed Delegate and the whole Community first before any particular government.
If the Delegate's government works against the Delegate, and the Delegate ceases to recognize that government? The forum will continue to serve that government, while recognizing and providing for the Delegate's new government. That serves the entire community and avoids breaking it up, while recognizing the Delegate's prerogative.
I think some misunderstand this, which brings them to be confused by those that say they respect the Delegate's choice, while expressing issues with or opposition to that same choice. As has been said, these are not incompatible positions.
4 hours ago, Elegarth said:The party in this situation that is not comfortable with the current proposal made a reach by requesting a simple middle-ground solution, and the other party didn't budged a millimeter. What conversation could be held?.
Precisely.
The delegate asked for participation, yet those with ideas or concerns, have had their thoughts replied to with hollow assurances, rather than any attempt to hear or consider or address opinions/ideas/concerns expressed. That's my impression anyway.
23 hours ago, Saint Mark said:West, it was your choice not to participate in the government by not becoming a citizen. You still have been not only allowed to express your opinion, but listened to with respect.
Yes, I sacrifice my ability to participate in order to remain an unbiased neutral admin.*sniffles overly dramatically, wipes a tear from his eye feeling the immensity of his sacrifice....falls out of his chair laughing*
Although, I submitted my resignation as Admin in March 2018. But I can't remove my masking myself, and Winnie has left it as it, and I've given the admins my 2 cents on things that come up. *chuckles*
I also didn't post an oath when our NationStates Republic government required it either. In that case I didn't agree with TWP turning it's governance over to an inter-regional body (sorry PD). Other regions could determine our policies. Of course, I was later the one to dissolve the NS Republic when I became Delegate. It was dead, the only active member was it's President...I don't remember his name or what region he was from....and he was barely active. But it did have some good activity during Enlightened Defenders Delegacy, and it was altered to ensure TWP's sovereignty.
Remember to cut out the deadwood as you progress to allow new growth.
Anyway, you didn't address anything I said or asked before, only commented on my citizenship which I'd already mentioned, so....
6 hours ago, Elegarth said:As WW says, my opinion doesn't matter.
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11 hours ago, Altino said:
I feel like an onsite vote is a little on "too little too late" territory at this point.
As the motto of Westwind Armed Forces says, "There is always a choice"
11 hours ago, Altino said:Kind of having a hard time processing the disparity between "I respect the delegate's decisions" and "but the delegate should do things by my methods."
There is no disparity. We support our Delegate, we don't worship the Delegate.
Why should everyone mindlessly follow along without having their own opinion expressed and recognized? Welcome to the world of Politics and Community dynamics.
11 hours ago, Altino said:He's also chosen to give citizens of the region a say in the direction of that theme.
This is not true. I am in the region, have been for many many years - 15 years, yet I have no say. I am disenfranchised by the government.
11 hours ago, Altino said:And wise, to make sure that those involved in making long term decisions for TWP are people who understand the place and will not CTE a few weeks from now, unaffected by what their randomly chosen vote brings us
What is this insult for? What did you hope to accomplish with it?
The rest of what you said shows you didn't read what others wrote, and for some reason have chosen to be offended by those with another opinion.
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On 1/18/2019 at 3:08 PM, Saint Mark said:
No, this was discussed at length here and elsewhere and most were in favor of a theme change, or at the least not opposed.
*raises eyebrow*
Where?
Again, I'm not on Discord, so I don't know where this lengthy discussion occurred, because it certainly wasn't here or ingame.
You seem to have a different POV than those outside your circle. I think it would be wise to consider this.
8 hours ago, Elegarth said:You have the right to do this, lets just not pretend it is a public driven thing when it isn't. I am all for making clear what is clear.
Correct and agreed. It isn't an organic change, let's not pretend that it is.
6 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:It is understood that there might be some attempts at rigging the vote by outside influences,
As I mentioned before, if you set the poll on Native, you can only vote if you have more Influence in TWP than any other region. And if you set it on Large Nations, nations under 1 billion can't vote. IMO you can get a fairly secure ingame vote. But it seem everyone in NS doesn't realize this.
But then, it's a pet peeve of mine of that many ignore ingame features in favor of offisite control.
6 hours ago, Big Bad Badger said:I agree that it feels like we are rushing into this when legit discussion is/was still taking place.
Also agreed. What's the rush?
Let me follow up on my comments about having made theme changes in my time. I took the Delegacy of a TWP that had a brand new inactive forum, no formal government, no constitution/charter/whatever. I was starting from scratch. That's not the case now.
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:may result in feelings of having been ridden roughshod and ignored.
I am afraid my feeling is that this change is being ramrodded down the region's throat, with a couple days of comment substituting for discussion, debate, and input, where any alternative thoughts are dismissed when they were never considered in the first place. Saint Mark seems overly defensive and apologetic, which doesn't inspire confidence in this plan of action.
Or in other words, this all seems poorly handled and poorly presented.
As I said, fourth impression: My opinion doesn't matter. Sadly, regardless of the Delegate posting promises, I have little confidence in this change under these circumstances.
4 hours ago, Saint Mark said:This was also discussed in the Cabinet for weeks.
Most of us are not in the Cabinet, and nowhere do I see evidence of this. You are defending yourself instead of promoting your position.....it feels strange and makes me wonder why you are so defensive.
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:interest in the theme change has been more than for all other subjects that have come up for debate in recent times
How often does the Delegate/Cabinet/Guardians bring such issues before the region?
Isn't it true that controversy drives conflict which drives activity?
Isn't it shutting down this same activity by rushing to a conclusion?
4 hours ago, Mediobogdum said:After all, without the players, what is the region's raison d'etre?
*nods* A Delegate, Guardian, Minister should be servants of the region.
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Hey @ZetaOne and @Halmont, remember this?
ZetaOne
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Advanced MemberQuoteNov 13, 2005 #1
That is right, the game some of us have spent way too much time on is three years old today! WOW!
Not only that I realized that being here a bit over 2 of three years isn't bad
Halmont
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Advanced MemberQuoteNov 14, 2005 #3
If NS just turned 3.. and.. I joined around 4 - 5 months after it was created!!.. wow.. gah.. cool!..
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PS: I don't know who was admin on the S8 TWP forums, but maybe someone could restore this old bit of TWP history.....
http://z8.invisionfree.com/The_West_Pacific/index.php?
"All zIF/ZB forums were migrated to Tapatalk. To restore your forum, please send your board URL to support@tapatalk.com to request for a late migration."
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On 1/16/2019 at 2:04 PM, Haor Chall said:
Hello....
Nice to see you 'round
Meow!
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My daughter's 17 year old cat Chucky died last week at her mother's house. Been with her almost all her life. Chucky was given his name at the animal shelter, they said he had been 'chucked' out of a moving car before coming to the shelter. He was 2 when adopted.