Intelligent Holograms Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I amazed TP is still going on under Krull. I thought they would have got rid of him by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 If he didn't do that recent revamp, ya never know what coulda happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Punk Daddy has been working on some new ideas this weekend, so we'll have to see what happens and if he can bring all those lost regions back - and invite new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Let's hope it works. Though any potential new regions will need to see massive change in NSR before even considering applying for membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I feel the same way about NSR as Winni probably feels at present about TWP. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 A good question, but you're are not in exactly the same position. TWP has a more than good chance of revival (I would save that revival is probable as opposed to possible), whilst NS Republic needs serious work or it will die soon. NSR needs to be taken seriously by all regions involved, something that I don't believe has happened yet, for it to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The NSR had verifiable aims. I'm not sure how to find them on this forum. ED, through consent of TWP, changed those aims. The NSR was to be the US of NS by making regions into states with TWP as the head. It was quite ambitious and we did get a great many regions on board. That ideal changed significantly once ED took control. I was content to leave it at that, but then a newbie PUT took over and, in my biased opinion, things went downhill. I have posted a new Constitution and put it to members that we should go to regional members to have them affix their name to the document or not. If we don't get a number of people on board, no need for Tweedy and I to go back and forth and convince each other to continue. Still, this thing lasted almost two years so I can't complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 True. That's decades in the NationStates world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Still, this thing lasted almost two years so I can't complain. I would disagree with this. NSR barely even got off the ground before it fell into inactivity, I would give it two months at most. A confused leadership and a confused direction will do that to a budding alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I would disagree with this. NSR barely even got off the ground before it fell into inactivity, I would give it two months at most. A confused leadership and a confused direction will do that to a budding alliance. Are you aware of how many regions comprised the NSR? I think you may be speaking outside of your experience here. That's ok, I understand you'd like to think the NSR failed and wasn't active. But the truth is, it didn't reach the goals I set forth but it certainly was active until, at worst, late fall of 2012. 1,651 posts and 50 members since June of 2012. That's not barely getting off the ground when in June of 2012 the alliance was already over a year old. Here's the link to our current forums...those forums have probably been more active than these forums (at least the parts non-gaurdians can see). http://z13.invisionfree.com/nationstatesrepublic/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You may have had the regions, but did they actually do anything? Signing on the dotted line is a lot different to working together as a stable unit. That's ok, I understand you'd like to think the NSR failed and wasn't active. Pardon me, I forgot this got personal. I'm not just thinking it, it did fail. The truth is NSR didn't achieve the goals you set forth because what large, powerful region would want to bow down and worship TWP when they can quite happily run things by themselves? You and I both know NSR needed big regions for it to work. 60/86 members have less than or equal to 5 posts. That's hardly an active majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Even this forum has almost 50% more than that...I'm just instigatin' at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 An interregional allince with that many posts isn't dead. We have Region Inc. & Skyrim diplomacy. We came close to getting even more and this was when TWP was the head of the Republic. I think ED and I would argue with you that it failed. A number of great relationships were built, a Warzone was taken, and regions were joining the republic as late as November. Oh, this isn't personal. I just think you do not have sufficient data to determine the success or failure of the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Like ya said, that depends on your goals. The goal of most organizations is to survive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 If it didn't fail, what did it achieve? You cannot state merely having regions as a way of proving that NSR was active; NSR was supposed to be more than the loose alliance of regions that it turned out to be. We had ... Skyrim Oh yes, that highly populous, active and well-known region Skyrim. I think ED and I... You would have to find ED before he could come and argue the case of NSR. A number of great relationships... Who? The spiralling number of in game embassies that TWP has? The forum embassies? Or the regions that TWP does a great deal of work with? A Warzone was taken... Nothing says a successful pact between regions than the taking of a Warzone. I have enough information. Although, a survey could be carried out in NSR regions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkesia Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I would just like to interrupt this little pissing contest to remind the hologram that not everything happens on the surface. Now back to your regularly scheduled bickering about the unintended consequences of Alliances in NS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I would just like to interrupt this little pissing contest to remind the hologram that not everything happens on the surface. I know, but surely it's not a good thing for the parts of NSR that count to be hidden from view? *Reshuffles papers and continues bickering* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkdaddy Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 We've come up with a revised Constitution. Let's discuss. We're looking for member regions who wish to continue with the alliance to affix their name to this new document. Article 1 - Bill of Rights1.SovereigntyA. This document guarantees above all else the right tosovereignty over Domestic Affairs for every region whom holds membership in theNationStates Republic.B. All Nations of the Republic are sovereign and havethe right of self-determination in domestic policies, including Nation StatesIssues and the World Assembly.2. FreedomThe natural Rights offree speech, free press, free expression of religion, and free association willnot be infringed as long as the expressed freedoms do not (a) violate the samerights of others or (b ) violate the ToS of this Forum. The Forum Owner or hisdesignee(s) shall be the ultimate judges of propriety.3. VoluntaryParticipationParticipation in any regional or extra-regional government,forum, and military shall be voluntary.4. VoluntaryEndorsementNo nation of the Republic holding WA member status shall beobligated to endorse any officer of the Republic—except when volunteering for amilitary mission. The right to add or withdraw an endorsement will remain asovereign right of WA member nations.5. ConstitutionalRestraintAll Nations of the Republic have the right to be protectedagainst the abuse of powers by any government official, including in theirregion.6. Unjust BanjectionsNo Nation shall be ejected fromany region of the Republic, or banned from any Republic forum, without a publicexplanation. Should the ejection or banning be a matter of immediate regionalsecurity, the ejected or banned Nation shall have an avenue of redress in thatregion's forum as a member with limited membership.7. Fair &Impartial TrialsWhen charged with criminal activity, Nations of theRepublic shall enjoy fair and impartial court trials. Such courts may occurand/or deliberate in a locked forum.8. Constitutionality &PetitionsAny nation of the Republic may ask the Tribunal to determinethe Constitutionality of any treaty passed by the House of Lords, and maypetition the Court for redress of grievances with other nations, any Republicofficer or the Republic itself.9. Other RightsThe Rightslisted here are not exhaustive. Other Rights may be defined and existing Rightsmay be expanded by the House of Lords through treaties andlegislation.Article 2 - Governing Bodies1. Most legislativeauthority of the Republic shall rest within The House of Lords (HoL). The Houseof Lords shall be the governing body of the NSR. The House of Lords shall beresponsible to do the following:A. pass treaties for cooperation betweenallied regions,B. define terms of Republic membership,C. establishRules of Order for the HoL and Citizen Assembly,D. declare war by theRepublic,E. elect certain officers,F. provide oversight of officers andtreaties.G. Voting on Constitutional amendments passed by the CitizenAssembly.2. Each allied region shall have one vote in the House ofLords, and may seat three lords in the House of Lords. Membership requirementsare the following: A. all delegates and founders may be seated in theHouse of Lords automatically,B. an allied delegate or founder may appointtheir region's seated lords,C. all lords of the House of Lords must declaretheir WA nation, if they have one, and be a citizen of a Republic region,D.all lords of the HOL may be subject to a confidence vote--if denied, the lord inquestion must be replaced by their region,E. if a region's lords disagree,the seated founder will decide. If the founder is not a seated lord, the seateddelegate will decide. If the delegate is not a seated lord, the majority of saidregion's lords will decide. If a majority is unattainable, the vote shall becast as "present."3. The Citizen Assembly (CA) shall be the generalassembly of the Republic. It shall be a legislative tasked with initiatingConstitutional changes. The Citizen Assembly shall be capable of thefollowing:A. drafting all Constitutional changes;B. elect certainofficers--including a chairman to moderate the CA,4. CitizenAssembly membership requirements: A. register their WA nation or their“main” Republic nation if they do not have a WA nation,B. not be an alliedregion's founder, delegate or seated in the HoL,C. be a citizen of anallied region in good standing with that region's delegate--a delegate may vetoany nation's membership.5. The Security Council shall be thedefenders of the Republic and its Constitution. It shall be made up of fiveseated lords, who must be either founders or delegates of an allied region. TheHouse of Lords will elect them every three months by anonymous preferentialvoting. The Security Council shall act by simple majority, and shall beresponsible for the following: A. veto actions of officers--includingmilitary missions,B. approve continuing military action taken by theRepublic military,C. approve new allies that fulfill membership terms,C. ascertain the legitimate government of an allied region.Article3 - Officers of The Republic1. The chief executive of theNationStates Republic shall be the Alliance President. The President shall beelected by the House of Lords for a term of four months. He/she shall beresponsible for the following: A. oversee all Republic officers anddirect their activities,B. oversee all Republic treaties and directentailing activities,C. coordinate cooperation between allied regions,D. represent the Republic to NationStates and prospective regions,E.approve missions by the Republic military,F. appoint secretaries to help thepresident,G. veto legislation passed by the House of Lords.h. select aVice-President in case he/she Ceases-to-Exist or resigns. The Vice-Presidentshall serve the rest of the outgoing President’s term.2. The WorldAssembly Minister shall be elected by the House of Lords for a term of fourmonths. He/She shall be responsible for the following:A. leadingcooperation in the WA between allied delegates.B. maintaining the WAAffairs forum,C. representing the Republic to the NationStates world in WAaffairs.D. The minister shall be responsible for surveying Republic regionson each World Assembly vote.E. The minister shall be responsible forpublishing the results of the survey to Republic regions.3. TheOrientation Coordinator shall be elected from and by the Citizen Assembly for aterm of four months. The New Members Coordinator will be responsible for thefollowing: A. welcoming and engaging new regions to get theminvolved.B. creating a welcome and orientation brochure for new regions,House of Lords members, and citizens.5. The Defense Minister shall beappointed by the President, serving at his/her pleasure, and must be a member ofthe House of Lords and be approved by the Security Council. Once appointed, theDefense Minister shall serve indefinitely unless removed from office throughjudicial process or removed by the President. He/She shall be responsible forthe following: A. establishing a Republic military and intelligenceorganization,B. granting rank to soldiers.C. training soldiersD.along with the President, shall have authority to approvemissions.Article 4 – Tribunal & Tribune1.JurisdictionThe Tribunal of the NationStates Republic holds jurisdictionover the NSR, and has no implications in the Domestic Affairs of member regions.The Tribunal consists of three members of the House of Lords selected in reverseorder of length of service with the longest serving member serving as chiefjustice. The Tribunal shall serve for one month or the length of time it takesto make a determination of the case that spurred its commencement.TheTribunal will be responsible for the following:A. Convicting member nationsof valid charges.B. Arbitrating inter-regional disputes when asked to do soby all parties.C. Hearing appeals of the Tribune’s decisions.A tribuneof the Republic shall be elected by the House of Lords serving an indefiniteterm. The Tribune shall be barred from voting on legislation thereafter needingonly to maintain citizenship status in his/her home region.The Tribune willbe responsible for the following:A. Determining the constitutionality of anyaction, statement, or enacted law.B. Interpreting the law.2.TransparencyOnce a case is decided, all allied regions must be told ofthe result. There are to be no secret cases or verdicts, but case discussionsand deliberations of a Court Tribunal may be made in private.3.RecusingAny House of Lords member may be recused according to thefollowing:A. Conflict of InterestB. Being a litigant partyC.Serving as a witness in the case.4. ConstitutionalityUponrequest by a citizen nation of an allied region, the Tribune shall review anydecision, action, proposal, etc. of the Republic to determine it'sConstitutionality. The Tribune’s decision shall have a binding effect oflaw.5. ConvictionThe Tribunal shall have authority to do thefollowing by consensus:A. To establish the criteria for correctiveaction.B. For making amends or restitution.C. To makepunishments.6. ImpeachmentAny Republic officer or lord may beimpeached by the House of Lords. 10% of the HoL's membership must sign animpeachment petition. If an impeachment petition is signed by 10% of the HoLmembership, then the full HoL shall vote on the petition. Officers can beremoved via a majority vote of the House of Lords membership.8.AppealsAll decisions of the Tribune may be appealed and heard by theTribunal. Decisions made by the Tribunal are considered final in allcases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I would just like to interrupt this little pissing contest to remind the hologram that not everything happens on the surface. Now back to your regularly scheduled bickering about the unintended consequences of Alliances in NS. I don't think there is much wrong with attacking and defending a position - you learn a lot from both angles; in fact in this case, both sides have valid concerns and answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 By-the-way, Intelligent Holograms, you're just the type we need in NSR....what about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I thank you for the offer Tweedy and I would be happy to help in any way I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I look-in on a regular basis, and there are more regions leaving than joining...in the old days I would have tried to lure people with a free wavy flag, but those days are long-gone. Anyway, I'm only root admin now as I resigned my position some time ago....that way I do what is required by the President/HOL without having any axe to grind; that is, when we had a President and an active HOL! I did try to give root admin to PD, but he wasn't too keen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligent Holograms Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Who is the current president, PD or PUT? I wasn't aware any regions were joining, only leaving. Perhaps the focus of NSR needs to be changed, instead of looking to bring regions together, how about bringing nations together free from the restrictions of regions? An organisation that transcends regions by going straight to nations themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 There is no current President. PD as founder is arranging to have elections having presented a draft new Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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