Intelligent Holograms

They're probably lying to throw us off the scent. It might be that they are getting rid of influence, regions would definitely fall then.

I dont think they care whether or not the folks like it. The Guardians like it and thats all that matters. (Imagine the flag guy with a sad face)

I have finally found out how to use the IRC!

This blind fool can see well enough to know that there is no fun in TWP, at the moment. There's nothing to do (this is changing) and, as a result, there's nothing to have fun doing. TWP needs something to do, if that happens to be the construction of procedure, so be it. There's been no growth (until now, thanks to the efforts of those creating things to do) and there's been no fun (until recently), what have we got to lose? @Tweedy: I was thinking the same thing.

Congratulations indeed. Thanks for the update.

If anybody elects me to a post, it will be down to my own merits and achievements. Nothing lasts forever Eli, TWP's subservience to the your clique is coming to an end. The TWP that is built in the coming months will outlive any of the achievements you claim to have made. *Looks under the rock Eli crawled out from* Where are those North Pacific insurgents Eli? The only people I see here are those that want to create a democratic TWP ruled by the people and those that want to consign TWP to another few years of tyranny and dictatorship (that's you). It's nice to see Eli talking about freedom when he's proposing the complete opposite.

What exactly are "old-fashioned TWP values"? It's mind-boggling to think that the "old-fashioned TWP values" are, in essence, the dictatorial hold of the region - that's the only value I see being upheld here. You all had the opportunity to do something to bring back "old-fashioned TWP values" in TWP's inactive spell (you know, the one that lasted for months), but you kept quite and did nothing. Unless, forgive me, inactivity is an "old-fashioned TWP value"?

There are no traditions in TWP. This is a new forum, we have no constitution. The only thing that remains are the stalwarts that refuse to let TWP rebuild. Your view of honour has become warped by power into a bitter, twisted and lesser version of what it once was. Democracy under Yy or dictatorship under you, I chose democracy. Have I made it clear that I side with Yy and Westwind?

I have long held my opinion that TWP is the greatest feeder in NS and I have staunchly defended that opinion in the past. Clearly I was wrong in placing of TWP on such a high pedestal; how can TWP be the greatest feeder in NS when two of it's highest regarded members [Eli and Dark] who, as you say, have helped shape TWP for years, never abandoned TWP in times of distress or actively harmed TWP, turn their back on the voices of TWP and a region that craves the opportunity to be a democracy once more. This cannot happen in the greatest feeder, nor would it come from people that truly hold the best interests of TWP at heart. By advocating dictatorship here, you tarnish TWP's name and your own. You insult us all by pretending to be TWP's saviours.

@Eli: Lol. No, actually, my name is Intelligent Holograms. Eli, so many words and so little to say. You sound like a whinging child that isn't getting what he wants. Although I notice that neither of you are Guardians anymore. If you are going to use archaic language, use it correctly - 'Where art thou?' Not "Where are thou".

I didn't even know we had one.

I didn't want to tell you this, but you are also a member.

I'll admit it, it's me.

Gentlemen's Agreement Group (GAG)?

Yy and The Guardians (-2).

There are only two and we know who they are...

That's the point though, the players don't have the powers. The Guardians have all the power as a result of them having influence that's been built up over years in TWP.

Sums it up. Democracy being the evil thing that it is.

Long live the Crimson King?

Depends on who the next Delegate is. If it's a Guardian slim chance.

I, for one, propose we do not stay on the same course to oblivion.

I know what you mean, NationStates Republic does sound a bit long winded. 'The Alliance' sounds good.

Thank ye, Holy Father...

For the time being, indeed.

And yet the Guardians still have their names on the WFE. Not that forsaken then. EDIT: History should not take precedence over the future. The Guardians are holding TWP back from entering a new phase of activity and that needs to change.