Elegarth

Technically, the right to rebellion is BEYOND the constitution and charter, since it is a right in-game: any region is allowed to rebel to its sitting delegate and try to take it off, as the delegate is allowed to try to hold to its seat, all within Max's rules. There was no clause of rebellion when we rebelled against URAP and there is no need to create one: it is a game coded right of any region and its population. My suggestion: I really like your # 7. No commens in your other changes. As Dali says, you'd become a Minister should this pass, and be both under the shared supervision of the Advocate, who is sort of a prime minister if you may, and head of the legislative voice, and the Delegate.

If NPS indeed participated as part of the DEN team, we may as well elevate the decision to our judiciary system, which is flexible enough to simply be called to act. I do like to point out this attitude is troublesome, Malv: If you have FACTs, then just show them and I'm sure the advocate can simply put this in the hands of our judiciary articles, without anyone throwing a tantrum...

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I don't think anyone is going to go filling out forms that require their email.

Yeah!!!! I love this idea and am actually really excited of doing something like this! !!

We could go with those if nothing better comes up. Also, I need a WFE, hopefully with links to some formal page for the day I didn't know there was once, but if you can educate me, we can also do that! I think all those sort of stuff deserves everyone's attention. Care to enlighten me, please? Found a lot of info. We could do it next weekend... we could do this sort of stuff on weekends... Friday late till Monday early... Is an idea I'd like. I believe in social awareness

Possible flag and banner (my own work)

I have access

I thought about it but I guessed it was supposed to be... I'm glad you caught it on your own sire!

Thanks

Tg them about the image please!!!

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I don't need them to discuss. I'm in. Can someone make a version of TWP's flag blue colored? And throw some banners? And a dispatch? We have till tomorrow to get it all ready. Can you aid with it Malv? Once done, I'll change the WFE on the 14th

So, how do we turn this into a small modification to our existing charter, so we don't have to start over from scratch? I can take a stab at it

The delegate in twp is not an elected-by-forum position. I'm the current delegate till I step down and elect a successor, or the guardians consider I'm no longer fit and ask me to quit, or the region arises in rebellion due to incompetence/behavior issues on my behalf or the region is taken over by someone else. The rules for electing delegates are game rules, no forum institution has any power over it.

I agree

The curious thing is I'd vote FOR it, if it went into a vote, heh.

We will possibly reach a similar point again. It may be the voice itself changes into something different. I'm really bad a predicting the future.

And also funny imo

I agree in many of your points, but I also think the current system hadn't had the change to be REALLY tried. I'm not saying NO to the idea of a system as you propose. Nor I care for what Cormac thinks or not about it... But after talking to BBB I think he has it right in a couple of accounts regarding small things happening and NOT GETTING exposure. That is just A PART of the problem of course. And it may be weird, if such integration occurred I'd have more chance to make changes, but that does not means they will also work... What I'm trying to say is that another change, like the ones we've had in the past few months, has as much potential of bringing people on board as it has to drive them away... I honestly feel a drastic change now won't be for the best. We could try a partial attempt at it. As I mentioned before, I'm trying to take a more active role by advising BBB and trying to push stuff within the existing environment, and will probably run for Advocate myself in the next election, which would also create a similar situation. My point in short is, rushing into a new system, when we have not REALLY put efforts in the current one, seems as doom to failure as continuing in our current inactive path. On a side note, we both play the same card in one aspect: I can't prove you wrong as much as you can't prove yourself right, as any kind of real proof of any of the two would require evidence of the other happening and being better or worse WITHIN our environment. The fact that something works in a place doesn't means it works everyone, with pseudo-liberal democracies being an example... But in any case, I don't control the Voice. This is just my opinion. And everyone has one!

In the end, all of the options will ALWAYS have CONs and PROs that will depend on what you WANT to make with your nation.

Please proof the system is to be blamed for the lack of activity. If you can show me evidence of it, I'll take care of the rest of your argument, Vlagh.

At this point, I honestly think making a change will not change activity, so I think we should rather focus on assisting the Voice do this, than on changing stuff. I'll help BBB, he and I are talking now, and anyone's efforts will also be welcomed.

I think most of us or a big portion at least feel the same