That Called the Vlagh
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Told you so.
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But, BBD, they were going to make it work this time...they promised.
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At what point do I say 'I told you so' again?
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I think having a 'recognised Chief Executive' that is not the Delegate in any situation simply perpetuates the current problem. I support leaving the concepts of 'rebellion' to game mechanics and not as part of the offsite government.
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Laughable.
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A raptor in Atlantic is under the impression that TWP is planning to refound the region. Is it doing so in conjunction with him? Also, why were some natives ejected from the region?
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That's fine. This seems to be the same conversation I have had with various people in authority multiple times over the last year or so and it always comes back to the same end result. Something about the definition of insanity in there somewhere...
Since I have a fundamental disagreement with the structure of the Voice as it currently stands then I cannot be part of that solution. That might not have been the case a few months ago but the fact is that the position of the Voice in the authority ranking within the region shifted dramatically when you decided to reinstall it against the wishes of a sitting Delegate. I just cannot support a system that gives that much authority in a feeder to a body that does not recognize the supremacy of the Delegate in an executive role.
But, good luck, BBB. I guess we will see? Although I feel like I have said that before...
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The only proof needed is the fact that this place is inactive and has been for an extended period of time. The system is broken on several levels.
I have asked to be proven wrong on many separate occasions here now and we still end up right back here, with me pointing out that nothing is happening and others claiming that it is utopia but without any tangible results.
I simply believe it is time we get our collective heads out of our asses and try something different. I am not claiming that it will be a success but it has been proven in every other feeder and here in the far distant past that incorporating the Delegacy into the offsite at the very least generates a reason to take part in the offsite.
As it currently exists, there is no reason to join this board and take part because it is less relevant to the game we are all playing than a notice on the RMB, but requires more effort.
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So, instead of trying something that might gain activity but might fail we are going to just stick with a system that has already failed so that we don't have to work? Makes sense.
Is this related to Cormac's article? Seems suspiciously timed to be honest. Surely someone that actively took part in the recent coup of TWP stating something ridiculous about the NPO doesn't make everyone piss their pants behind closed doors?
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Not true. Before Eli ripped up that particular rule book Delegates were elected by the legislature, whatever form that took. Totally agree with your last sentence though and I would not like a return to the "old rules".
Oh yes, I had forgotten the old Berm forums.
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Regardless of form, the offsite has never had a direct say in the position of the Delegate and I will oppose any change to this. The Delegacy should not be subject to the offsite government.WA Delegate: Executive Head of State, elected by region's WA members every four months.
The Cardinal Guardians: Nominated by the Delegate and confirmed by the Voice
The Advocate: Executive Head of Government, appoints Cabinet
The Voice: Regional assembly. Has power to remove the Delegate in extraordinary circumstances.
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Evidently, even though I have been advocating basically the same thing since...forever...I am now somehow pushing for a NPO guided agenda here in TWP.
I hate stupid people.
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That is what URA did, remember? ANd it failed horribly even before his DEN madness
I like this idea tbh
To be fair, it failed because he was a weak willed individual, not because of anything inherently wrong with his plan.
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I would have thought that was plain common sense; if not, what is the point off an off-site forum?
Well, evidently over the last year it has become something of a 'right' of certain parties here that they be completely separate from the onsite governing of the region. To the point of open revolt in at least one recent occasion.
And now, whenever anyone says that they disagree or that things here seem too quiet we get a list of what this or that department is doing behind closed doors which doesn't really address the concerns at all.
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Based on what you state above, I don't think I have any solutions that will fit what you are seeking to do since my first solution would be to either dissolve the Voice entirely or institute a separation of powers that would keep the Voice as a legislative body within a construct that includes the Delegate and Guardians as a sort of executive branch.
I do not personally believe forcing the Delegate to conform to an offsite government is the way to go, but I am just one voice.
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I disagree with a number of your assertions.
Yes, I think the Delegate should be in charge of the offsite government, at least in a head of state fashion, even if not directly head of government. I believe the two (onsite and offsite) should be linked within a feeder because it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to come here and participate if it has zero influence on the game itself.
That said, I do not agree that the same people are running things in other regions. Yes, TP has had some success in pulling people onto the offsite via RP but I know the Delegate there has never RP'd and doesn't plan to start anytime soon. Also, while it was handled in a colossally dismal way here, the internal structure of the region there has provided more avenues of activity outside of RP.
Also, speaking again of TP, there are a number of people that have never held prominent position within that region now effectively running nearly every department independently of direct Senate control. I know first hand that the Delegate there is an ideas-guy but has never been the best at putting the rubber to the road when it came to actual work, and yet it seems to be doing just fine. The Viceroy there, while a longtime member of the region, has been in the Senate for just over a year and has proven himself to be one of the most capable administrators I personally have ever witnessed. None of the Governors have been in the region for over a year and they run the day to day operations of the Praetorian Guard, the media, the provinces, the RP threads and to a lesser extent at present the military. All new people running the show and being active without anyone holding their hand and while still maintaining a close connection between the onsite Delegacy and offsite apparatus.
That said, there are 5000+ nations in TWP. I know that we have limited activity here on the forum but is it really because all those nations that just happen to spawn here are inherently lazy?
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That is inaccurate. I served in a Delegate appointed Ministry for a long while and I ran for Advocate last cycle.
In the first instance I was more or less drummed out of office because I sought to help change things here and in the second I was defeated in favor of the current paradigm.
In both instances I, as an active and present part of this community sought to help. Since that time I have observed the post counts in both the Guardians Chamber and the Echo Chamber climb (albeit slowly) while this place and a lot of the rest of the forum has stagnated.
I have received not one PM from any party asking what my thoughts on the situation are even though I do have quite a bit of long term experience on growing communities and making them relevant.At this point, in my opinion, without fundamental changes in how we are doing things, we will continue to stagnate. It is time to put this experiment of separating the offsite from the onsite to rest.
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I noticed this too...at least activity within "The Voice".
But I think if you look outside of The Voice you'll actually see quite a bit of activity. And I'll mention this again that I have come to believe that TWP has turned into a very active onsite community that simply has no need for an active off-site government.
I think this is due to the separation between church and state I mean delegate and offsite. The offsite doesn't regulate the delegate and without said regulation what point is there for an offsite government unless to administrate tasks delegated by the delegate.
I just don't believe there is a need or desire for an offsite bureaucracy within TWP.
Yes, that is the point I was planning to reach once it was acknowledged that the Voice is dead.
As noted by myself (and you and others) in several places, an offsite government without the direct involvement of the Delegate just does not work in a GCR. It works in UCRs (like The Meritocracy at one point) but it just makes no sense in this context.
As far as activity outside of the Voice on this forum is concerned...TWP has the lowest daily post count of any of the feeders, so I will take that statement with a grain of salt.
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Media has been writing up the new newspaper. Internal Affairs just took care of the Apocalypse. Foreign Affairs, Intel and Military have been busy on the Warzones. And WA Affairs' job continues, providing guidance to TWPers about the latest GA and SC resolutions.
The Voice and its members and departments have been working. We're not zombies; we're alive and kicking.
So we have a government but we don't have anyone actually being governed? The last nation to sign up for the Voice was on 7 Oct. We are approaching a full month with zero growth in the body politic. As far as I can tell, I am the only member of the Voice that is active (or at least active in here) that isn't part of either the Guardians or the Echo Chamber, having a government without expanding those that it seeks to govern seems a bit pointless.
The zombie minigame hardly counts as activity on the part of Internal Affairs (plus, since when does IA cover ingame? Curious about that actually), especially when looking at its heavy handed handling by the Guardians. (An observation, not a critique.)
Has the new newspaper been written up? Just wondering because all I saw was discussion of the name.
I do see that you have been appointing ambassadors, but I am not wholly certain what it is that they are reporting to other regions considering that nothing seems to be happening here at all. Also, why are we concentrating on the Warzones? They suck.
Posting WA votes in a subforum and getting 2-3 replies and a couple of dozen views (prob from the same 2-3 people replying) doesn't speak volumes to me about that department helping the region much at all.
Anyway, if you and others are satisfied with the state of affairs here in TWP I guess I am in no position to complain. 'Let them eat cake.'
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Is this place officially dead now or what?
The last post was an acknowledgment that a regional TG was going out on 21 October but there has been no follow up here and nothing in the Echo Chamber since 14 Oct.
Outside of the debrief thread in General Discussions and the private Guardian Chambers there doesn't seem to be much happening in TWP at all these days.
Also, are we going for a record on the longest Delegacy transfer in NS history?
Are we just going to be the dead/inactive feeder now?
EDIT: Oh, it looks like I missed a discussion on the name of the newspaper as well. So, good job?
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Has the region wide TG been drafted?
Dissolution of The Voice of the West Pacific Union
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Yes