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Today in NS GP -- A Nazi "Confession"


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http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=244092

 

One of our more frequent ad-spammer criminals declared his apologies for taking his "deep role play" too far in the game, but then promised that he wouldn't be changing his ways. This bizarre contradiction confuses me and makes me believe that this is simply a Nazi propaganda technique intended to make them seem less despicable in the court of public opinion. I wouldn't put it above them, but nonetheless I, along with a handful of other TWPers, posted my thoughts on the matter.

 

I cannot stand logging into my nation and seeing reminders of someone I'd really like to forget about on my region's message board.

Do you have any idea how awful the Holocaust really was? I can't imagine you do since you evidently don't understand why it bothers people to see your messages where they are entirely unwanted.

Some Nazi scientists literally sewed twins together after mutilating them to see if they could create conjoined twins. Millions of people were slaughtered. Fathers and Mothers were forced to bury their own children, knowing it would be the last thing they ever did before their deaths. I don't know about you, but when I see your adverts that is what comes to my mind, and that's why it annoys me above all else. Adspam is inherently annoying and I'd love to see it banned, but Nazi adspam is a whole different level. I might be able to live with the ASCII art, the garish codes, the emoticons, and so on, but I cannot and will not ever become comfortable with seeing pro-Nazi adverts on the message boards. It reminds me of something genuinely tragic that I'd love to keep out of mind when playing a game.

I hate to list those things described above, but sometimes it's worth remembering just how awful the Nazis were. Please don't stick it in everyone else's faces. We really don't like it.  Just try to see this from our perspective. sm_unsure.gif

 

In the interests of discussion and possibly debate, I thought I'd start an off-site thread about it here. Here is the text from DVL's speech if you'd prefer to read it here:

 

A confession

icon_post_target.gifby Der volkes lebensraum » Fri May 31, 2013 11:26 am

I would like to confess that on this game (nation states) I have been using this nation, amongst others, to participate in deep role playing action for a long time, however I believe in cases I have perhaps endeavoured too deeply into this role play. Possibly making claims that many see as unacceptable and giving off the wrong impressions of me, as a person, and my ideological beliefs.

Almost a year ago I decided to begin role playing a nazi on this game as these are the kinds of things I find enjoyable in many respects, also I had become tired of the forum democracies of this game with their endless debates about what virtual way to handle "adspam" (much of which I later created).

I would like to make it inherently clear that I do not condone any of the actions of past variants of ideologies such as national socialism that I role play on this game, rather condemn them, I do not believe in them in any way and am myself a left leaning democrat. One of the instances I believe where I got too deep into the role play was my denial of the holocaust, although I am not completely sure if the holocaust existed as I see some of the evidence supporting denials as intriguing, the concept I find disgusting, so much so I can barely put into words.

Main nations my confession applies to:
Nexin
Hakidaku (and variants)
DVL (and variants)
All puppets bearing my current flag

Regions I have occupied whilst role playing:
The Nazi Reich
Das Dritte Reich
National Socialist League
Reich

Personally I do not believe that roleplaying nazism (including variants) as bad in a sense, many do this as it is seen as cool and fun, but in the grand scheme of things the more that take up this roleplay the less taboo it possesses and the less "fun" and "cool" it will be seen to be.

I will continue to play nationstates.
Last edited by Der volkes lebensraum on Fri May 31, 2013 11:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
Der Volkes Lebensraum
Reichsmarschall von Das Reich
HEIL!

Do you think that "role play" can entail playing in the way that he does, because he is assuming a role that doesn't reflect his RL opinions, or do you feel that it's a mislading ploy to justify unacceptable behavior?

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He's being a trolling piece of @#$%, thinking (correctly, as it is) that speaking such hate will gain him attention.

 

Regarding his above statement, his expression is grammatically terrible and difficult to understand. "although I am not completely sure if the holocaust existed" < how can anyone possibly think this given the overwhelming evidence? I think he's not as far from actually being the ignorant piece of shit he role plays as he thinks he is. "many do this as it is seen as cool and fun" < this is exactly the attitude that we need to eradicate. There is nothing cool or fun about these beliefs. At all.

 

My opinion of such nazi sympathisers, genuine or otherwise, has already been made clear.

 

But to reiterate, I will not tolerate or humour such in any manner or form, in NS or RL. Nor do I believe we should ignore it. It needs to be eradicated, and all nazi emulating regions destroyed.

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I don't believe in feeding trolls and unfortunately the moderation in Nationstates is pro Nazi, they can claim otherwise all they want, the proof is in their pro-Nazi activity in allowing those nations to RP their vile ideology.

 

 

So I suggest that our Delegate continue to deat their rmb posts and banject their nations as they appear, but not post in a public forum in response to the troll, it only gives them what they crave, attention.

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Eli is correct.  This argument was happening on the in-game forums a long time ago. 

Moderation's response was to DEAT Tweedy's nations and to specifically announce that they will allow the Nazi's in the game. 

I left the game for a few months following that first round, it upset me so.  I didn't leave after round two because I just try not to participate.  Unfortunately, I failed to keep my mouth shut this time. 

 

But I am well aware that Moderation supports this crap, so it's on me to allow myself to be drawn in again.  I will just refrain from going to the in-game forum again.  There really is no reason I should need to go there and be exposed to that sort of vile ideology.  I count on the Delegate to minimize my exposure to it on the RMB.

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I kept my comment on the NS forum brief.  As Delegate, I do think I have a responsibility to represent TWP there when it is something that concerns our community, and such a vile thing cannot be countered without the truth being spoken in opposition.  Arguing and debating the matter on the other hand is pointless as Eli and Dark have noted.

 

IMO, the problem is a stain on Max's reputation, and I blame him rather than the Mods.  He is the one sets NS policy.  To ban swastika flags while welcoming the vile ideology it represents is somewhere between hypocrisy and the foolish notion of 'all ideologies are equal'.  And the excuse that NS is not RL is just that....an excuse.  If that is the case, then there is no cause to ban those flags.  And it certainly does nothing to make me desire to spend money on his books and movie.

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^ When they do annoying stuff, it's pretty hard to be tolerant. 

 

The last I saw of this thread one post summed it up quite well: "I'm basically sorry yet I will continue to do as I have done and this apology was meaningless and empty."

 

Pathetic.

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